Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council - 26 June 2025
Teleconference
Draft Minutes
ARIN AC Attendees:
- Kat Hunter, Chair (KH)
- Matthew Wilder, Vice Chair (MW)
- Lily Botsyoe (LB)
- Doug Camin (DC)
- Gerry George (GG)
- Elizabeth Goodson (EG)
- William Herrin (WH)
- Brian Jones (BJ)
- Kaitlyn Pellak (KP)
- Gus Reese (GR)
- Leif Sawyer (LS)
- Alicia Trotman (AT)
- Chris Woodfield (CW)
ARIN Staff:
- Michael Abejuela, General Counsel
- Eddie Diego, Policy Analyst
- John Curran, President & CEO
- Richard Jimmerson, COO
- Marty McLaughlin, CXS Manager
- Lisa Liedel, Dir. Registration Services
- Thérèse Simcox, Sr. Exec. Assistant/Scribe
- John Sweeting, CXO
Regrets:
- Kendrick Knowles
- Alison Wood
1. Welcome.
Welcome. The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:01 p.m. ET. The presence of a quorum was noted. The Chair noted regrets from AW and KK.
2. Agenda Review.
The Chair reviewed the agenda with the Council and called for any comments. She stated there has been a title change to Item 12 which will be explained later in the meeting.
3. Approval of the Minutes.
It was moved by CW, and seconded by LB:
“The ARIN Advisory Council approves the 15 May 2025 Minutes, as written.”
The Chair called for comments. There were no comments.
The motion carried with no objections.
4. Draft Policy ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation.
GG stated that a summary was posted today with all positions and discussions included in one post to the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML). He will be monitoring comments for direction from community.
5. Draft Policy ARIN-2024-5: Rewrite of NRPM Section 4.4 Micro-Allocation.
CW stated that he drafted an update to the language and reviewed it with ARIN staff. Feedback was received from ARIN’s Registration Services Department (RSD) yesterday and they are minor. He has not had a chance to review them fully and will have an update ready to post to PPML this week for feedback. CW also noted there was a lightning talk at ARIN 55 on the subject with no substantial feedback received.
6. Draft Policy ARIN-2024-10: Registration Requirements and Timing of Requirements with Retirement of Section 4.2.3.7.2.
AT stated that there were no changes at this time. She is awaiting feedback from the PPML. She will also update the language this week and repost to PPML.
7. Draft Policy ARIN-2024-11: IPv4 Transition Efficiency Reallocation Policy (ITERP).
BJ stated that he and KP discussed the policy. He noted that they can correct the wording in the bullets since the staff and legal was received, however they believe it is not a good policy, nor did the community. He stated he would move to abandon this policy.
It was moved by BJ, and seconded by KP:
“The ARIN Advisory Council abandons “Draft Policy ARIN-2024-11: IPv4 Transition Efficiency Reallocation Policy (ITERP)’.”
The Chair called for discussion. KP noted that the overarching concern was the opportunity for fraudulent activity and that no amount of editing would correct it.
The motion carried with all in favor, via roll call vote.
The Chair requested a statement of abandonment from BJ to be sent Monday. BJ agreed.
8. Draft Policy ARIN-2025-1: Clarify ISP and LIR Definitions and References to Address Ambiguity in NRPM Text.
LS stated that he and EG met and discussed the results from ARIN 55. They drafted changes to the text, but it is not ready to advance at this time. They will review the Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) regarding what additional changes need to be made and how removing the term ‘LIR’ will affect the whole NRPM.
9. Draft Policy ARIN-2025-2: Clarify 8.5.1 Registration Services Agreement.
GR stated that the staff and legal review was received on 15 May. He stated that removing terms in the last two versions allows ARIN the flexibility for effective operations for ARIN business practices.
It was moved by GR, and seconded by LB:
“The ARIN Advisory Council moves ‘Draft Policy ARIN-2025-2: Clarify 8.5.1 Registration Services Agreement’ to Recommended Draft Policy status.”
The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.
The motion carried with all in favor, via roll call vote.
The Chair requested a conformance statement from GR. GR agreed.
10. Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9, Out of Region Use Minimum Criteria.
DC stated that there were no changes at this time and that he will follow up on the PPML.
11. Draft Policy ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons.
EG stated that the staff and legal review was received and posted to the PPML. They had received some comments, but it then became quiet. She stated she will repost for a temperature read from the community on abandoning the policy before making any decisions.
12. ARIN-prop-344: Clarify Justification Requirements for Reserved IP Addresses.
KP explained that the title has now been changed to remove the word ‘Reserved’ and to add the specific sections. The new title is “Clarify Justification Requirements for 4.4, 4.10, 6.10, and 11.10 IP addresses”. She stated that the shepherds worked with the author to agree on the update. She noted this has been updated in Confluence.
It was moved by KP, and seconded by BJ:
“The ARIN Advisory Council accepts ‘ARIN-prop-344: Clarify Justification Requirements for 4.4, 4.10, 6.10, and 11.10 IP addresses’ as a Draft Policy.”
The Chair called for discussion.
The motion carried with all in favor, via roll call vote.
13. ARIN-prop-345: Fix Formula in 6.5.2.1c.
WH explained that 6.5.2.1c describes the maximum IPv6 allocation to which ISPs are entitled. There are quite a number of steps involved in the formula. Instead of describing the steps to get there, the language has just one sentence. It is confusing and the formula noted is inscrutable and incorrect. He stated that the author wanted to replace the formula and the text, and they discussed it deciding to expand the problem statement to look at the section as a whole and also what to do about the problems within it. They agreed to post the matter to the PPML for feedback regarding correcting the formula and then revise the text. The problem statement now has specificity and a solution.
It was moved by WH, and seconded by GR:
“The ARIN Advisory Council accepts ‘ARIN-prop-345: Fix Formula in 6.5.2.1c’ as a Draft Policy.”
The Chair called for discussion. As a point of information, the Chair noted that she looked for other opinions during the recent NANOG meeting and most people were unaware of the formula. They stated that they figured out how many networks they had and then figured out the nibble boundary.
The motion carried with all in favor, via roll call vote.
14. ARIN-prop-346: Make Policy in 6.5.8.2 Match the Examples.
LB stated that she and EG met and reached out to ARIN’s Policy Analyst and RSD on the matter. RSD stated that nothing changes in the way ARIN does business. LB noted the text leans toward an editorial change.
It was moved by LB, and seconded by BJ:
“The ARIN Advisory Council accepts ‘ARIN-prop-344: Make Policy in 6.5.8.2 Match the Examples’ as a Draft Policy.”
The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.
The motion carried with all in favor, via roll call vote.
15. ARIN AC Working Groups.
- Policy Experience Report Working Group (PER WG) Update. CW stated there were two items from the PER and proposals that are in process. A third proposal has a question of scope. The WG will meet in July to further discuss it.
- Number Resource Policy Manual Working Group (NRPM WG) Update. BJ stated that he and LB met and decided that instead of picking out things in Section 6, they would post it to the community. That has prompted two proposals that are currently in process.
- Community Engagement Working Group (CE WG) Update. The Chair updated the Council on this new WG stating that DC will be the WG Chair, and its formation is in process. The WG has set a time of the month to meet and go over their Charter and will start working on items.
16. Any Other Business.
- Changes in Employment and Affiliation. None reported.
- ARIN Nominations. Nominations for open seats on the Board, AC and NRO NC opened on 16 June and will close on 30 June. The Chair asked the Council to please self-nominate if any members would like re-run for a seat on the Council.
- ARIN 56 Arlington, Texas.
- Fellowship Mentors. The Chair stated that mentors will be needed for ARIN 56. Interested AC members can reach out to Amanda Gauldin. An official call for mentors will be posted soon. You can reach out to Amanda early before the call for mentors is published.
- Travel. The Chair reminded the Council to start thinking about planning travel to NANOG 95/ARIN 56.
Meeting Dates:
NANOG: October 27–29
ARIN: October 30–31
- RIR Events Update. The President provided an update on RIR current events. He stated links to information will be posted to the AC’s Slack. General Counsel stated there will be many comments in the community and to please use prudence when combing through them. He stated that ARIN endeavors to provide the facts as they are known to ARIN. The AC thanked the President for the update.
17. Adjournment.
The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 4:41 p.m. ET. MW moved to adjourn, seconded by CW. The meeting adjourned with no objections.