Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council - 15 February 2024



  • Kat Hunter, Chair (KH)
  • Matthew Wilder, Vice Chair (MW)
  • Doug Camin (DC)
  • Matthew Gamble (MG)
  • Gerry George (GG)
  • Elizabeth Goodson (EG)
  • Brian Jones (BJ)
  • Kendrick Knowles (KK)
  • Kaitlyn Pellak (KP)
  • Gus Reese (GR)
  • Leif Sawyer (LS)
  • Daniel Schatte (DS)
  • Alicia Trotman (AT)
  • Alison Wood (AW)
  • Chris Woodfield (CW)

ARIN Staff:

  • Michael Abejuela, General Counsel
  • Eddie Diego, Policy Analyst
  • Jenny Fulmer, Staff Attorney
  • Richard Jimmerson, COO
  • Lisa Liedel, Director, Registration Services
  • Therese Simcox, Sr. E.A.
  • John Sweeting, Chief Customer Officer

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:04 p.m. ET. The presence of a quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Review

The Chair reviewed the agenda with the Council and called for any comments. There were no comments.

3. Approval of the Minutes

(Exhibit A)

It was moved by BJ, and seconded by LS, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council approves the 26 January 2024, as written.”

The Chair called for comments.

The motion carried with no objections.

4. Draft Policy ARIN 2022-12: Direct Assignment Language Update.

DC stated that the policy language has been updated and posted to the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) No feedback has been received to date. Policy shepherds will re-post to foster discussion. DC solicited feedback at NANOG 90, and positive feedback was received.

BJ stated that there are no changes at this time. Shepherds are looking to present the policy at ARIN 53 and move to last call shortly thereafter if possible.

AT stated that the policy shepherds spoke with the CCO on comments received regarding updating the language. It was decided to leave the language as-is and present the policy at ARIN 53.

AW stated that there are no updates at this time and the policy shepherds are looking to present the policy at ARIN 53 and move it to last call shortly thereafter if possible.

8. ARIN-2023-6: ARIN Waitlist Qualification.

AT stated that shepherds received the staff and legal review and announced it to the PPML for comment. Staff had commented to update the language and the policy shepherds are awaiting PPML feedback. They are looking to advance it at the next meeting before ARIN 53.

The Chair stated it made a lot of sense to her. Counsel stated that removal of the provided example may reduce any confusion.

MW stated that he appreciated the input from staff and is looking to keep options open as much as possible for Section 4.

9. ARIN-2023-7: Clarification of NRPM Sections 4.5 and 6.11 Multiple Discrete Networks

CW stated that they received the staff and legal review yesterday and asked, given the modifications made, is it now an editorial change. He remarked it could be if not for a condition that may be resolved within the next few months. He believed it was prudent to continue it as a draft policy, and will present the policy at ARIN 53 in April.

It was moved by CW, and seconded by BS, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council moves ‘Draft Policy ARIN-2023-7: Clarification of NRPM Sections 4.5 and 6.11 Multiple Discrete Networks’ to Recommended Draft Policy status.”

The Chair called for discussion. Counsel noted with regard to the staff and legal review that there is other policy development happening and if that policy changes definitions, it would not be a substantive change. If the other anticipated policy goes through prior to this policy, this policy would be editorial. If the other policy gets stalled, as it has been on the docket awhile, and if there is a possibility that it will not come to fruition, this policy would be beyond an editorial change.

The Chair noted that the other policy (2023-12) needs another staff and legal review before the next meeting. 2023-7 can go forward before the other policy is ready.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call vote

10. Draft Policy ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation.

GG stated that corrections were made to language per the typographical error that the policy author had made (4.1.18 to be 4.1.8) and the presentation was updated for better flow. It was posted to the PPML, and the policy shepherds are soliciting feedback regarding opinions on usefulness and the need for this policy, and the impact on the waitlist per comments that were made. He stated that the policy shepherds will be prompting discussions.

11. Draft Policy ARIN-2024-1: Definition of Organization ID/Org ID.

GR stated that since the AC’s last meeting, this text was sent to the PPML, and it has received good feedback thus far. The shepherds are close to having updated language to satisfy concerns raised on the PPML. The policy shepherds are looking to present the policy at ARIN 53.

12. ARIN-prop-326: Replace Specified Transfers with Monthly Single-Price Auction.

The AC discussed ARIN-prop-326, aimed at replacing specified transfers with a monthly single-price auction. Concerns were raised about the proposal’s scope and clarity, particularly regarding the problem statement and the proposed solution’s effectiveness. The author believes the final version of the proposal is optimal. However, the policy shepherds and the AC expressed that it remains out of scope, attempts to dictate a new service, and lacks a clear problem statement. Extensive work has been done to refine the policy text, including attempts to clarify the problem statement. Despite revisions, the author did not accept suggested changes. The AC discussed the two options of either rejecting the proposal or formally remanding the proposal back to the author for further refinement. It was noted that multiple attempts by the policy shepherds to work with the proposer to achieve a clearer and more succinct statement of the problem to be addressed did not succeed. It was further discussed that one of the problems mentioned was the high cost of IP addresses for smaller organizations and it is quite unlikely that the auction model would effectively address this issue. General Counsel noted that if the proposal aims to solve the cost of IP address blocks, then the proposal is out of scope, as that is a market issue and outside the Number Resource Policy Manual’s (NRPM) scope. The AC should focus on policies that ensure the fair administration of resources.

It was moved by LS, and seconded by BJ, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council rejects ‘ARIN-prop-326: Replace Specified Transfers with Monthly Single-Price Auction’.”

The motion to reject carried with 14 in favor, and 1 against (AW), via roll call vote.

The Chair stated that a statement for the reason for rejection will be needed.

13. ARIN AC Working Groups

  • Policy Experience Report Working Group (PER WG) Update. AW stated that there are four new members to the WG, and they will meet on the first Friday of each month. The WG is tackling a new report received and are very excited. The Chair confirmed that the Policy Analyst will send out invitations on Tuesday next week.

14. Any Other Business

The Chair called for any other business items.

  • Changes in Employment and Affiliation. CW stated that he has a new affiliation. He also stated that he is no longer member of the NANOG Program Committee, but is staying involved in their Hackathon community.
  • Expense Report Submissions Due by 26 February.
  • ARIN 53 Barbados.
    • Table Topic Volunteers. The Chair reviewed the AC’s tasks at ARIN 53 stating they will also be reviewing them in March.
      • There will be table topics and volunteers will be needed for Section 6 and Section 4 work and will also include one for a discussion on auctions. She noted that KK already volunteered for that topic. She continued that there will be table topics on submitted by the NRPM WG on size requirements, Section 6 evolution, registration and privacy, and NRPM Section 4.
      • An e-mail will be sent asking for volunteers to collect information during lunch.
    • When the meeting is over, there will be an in-person AC meeting. Over next few months, primary policy shepherds will discuss items with secondary policy shepherds. The backbone of slides and slide templates will be provided to fill in PPML feedback discussions, etc.
      • An impact slide was suggested, and may be helpful to add, to show the community how it impacts them.
      • Two more staff and legal reviews have been completed. March 6 is cut-off date before the March AC meeting (3/21).
      • Text freeze date is March 22.
      • Final slides are due on March 29 – but we will ask for them one (1) week prior as they need AC review. Primary policy shepherds will present at the meeting and secondary policy shepherds are the back-ups, so please be informed.
    • In-person Expectations. The Chair stated the AC should have many hallway conversations about policies and talk to folks about them even at social events. She asked the AC to collect as much data as possible.

15. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 5:14 p.m. ET. MW moved to adjourn, seconded by LS. The meeting adjourned with no objections.