ARIN XII Public Policy Meeting Minutes, Day 1, 22 October 2003 [Archived]


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Call to Order and Announcements

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Ray Plzak opened the first day of the ARIN XII Public Policy Meeting at 09:00 CDT. He welcomed all those in attendance and made the following announcements:

  • Thanks to ARIN XII sponsors - Server Central and ANet

  • First-time live video broadcast of ARIN Public Policy Meeting via multicast provided by the University of Oregon and RealNetworks by Merit

  • Second back-to-back meeting with NANOG and online voting for NANOG attendees in the ASO AC election was available

  • 193 ARIN XII registrants, representing 26 states and the District of Columbia, and 21 countries

  • 42 first-time ARIN attendees

  • 123 people attended both ARIN XII and NANOG 29, with NANOG total attendance at 516

  • Provided ASO AC election information, including a list of candidates and location of candidate information, as well as voting directions

Ray Plzak introduced the ARIN Board of Trustees, the ARIN Advisory Council, and those in attendance from the ICANN ASO AC. He also acknowledged those RIR colleagues in attendance. At the beginning of the meeting there were approximately 125 people in attendance.

Internet Number Resource Status Report

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Presenter: Leslie Nobile, ARIN Director of Registration Services

Leslie presented a joint RIR report on the current status of all IPv4, IPv6, and Autonomous System number resources. This report is updated several times per year by the 4 RIRs and provides up-to-date statistics on rates of IPv4, IPv6, and AS number consumption.

Highlights included:

  • IPv4 /8 Status: currently 91 /8 equivalents held in reserve by IANA

  • IPv4 allocations rose steadily in all regions up until around 2001, at which time there was a decline in allocation rates in the RIPE NCC and ARIN regions, but not in the APNIC region, which has seen an increase in IPv4 allocations. Same trends holding true since that time.

  • ASN assignments increased in all regions, particularly in the ARIN region, until 2000. Saw the beginning of a pronounced decline in ARIN region at that time, and a very slight rise in other regions, although RIPE NCC started showing a slight decrease in its ASN assignments in 2001, while APNIC has continued to increase its assignments. Overall, ARIN continues to assign more ASNs than any of the other RIRs.

  • IPv6: Continued steady growth in allocation rates in all regions. RIPE NCC pulled way ahead of the other regions in 2002. Top 5 economies with IPv6 allocations are Japan, US, DE, NL, and the UK, and allocations have been made to 205 other economies.

RIR Updates


Presenter: Paul Wilson, APNIC Director General
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Paul presented a report on activities in the APNIC region. His report included a breakdown of membership growth since June 1996, an examination of APNIC membership by region, and APNIC staffing information. Paul then went on to describe activities within APNIC Member Services, Technical Services, and Training. He supplied information about an ongoing effort to establish “Area Liaisons” within the subregions of APNIC. Paul supplied information about the most recent APNIC meeting, APNIC 16 in Seoul, Korea, as well an update of policies that reached consensus at that meeting. Paul completed his presentation by giving information about APNIC’s Fellowship Fund and the next APNIC meeting, APNIC 17 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

Highlights included:

  • Continued membership growth

  • 849 members, with the largest number being in the “Small” category

  • One day turnaround on all Member Services requests

  • Established anycast root mirror servers, with Hong Kong, Seoul, and Beijing deployed and five additional sites in the planning phase

  • Launched version 1.2 of MyAPNIC member-only website in August

  • Updated training seminars on Internet Resource Management, DNS, and Routing Registry

  • Slowed training due to the SARS epidemic, with 15 sessions so far this year and 8 more planned

  • Area Liaison for Pacific region is Savenaca Vocea; currently recruiting for South Asia Area Liaison

  • Policies reaching consensus at APNIC 16 included a revised policy development process and document revision, as well as procedures for IPv4 resource requests, a follow-up to the RIPE-261 document, historical resource transfers, and a revised IXP assignment policy. Additionally, there were policies dealing with the privacy of customer assignment records, protecting resource records in the APNIC WHOIS database, and a revision in lame delegation cleanup

There were no questions from the floor.


Presenter: Ral Echeberra, LACNIC CEO
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Ral presented a report on activities in the LACNIC region. He noted that LACNIC will soon reach its one year anniversary as an officially recognized RIR. His report included a breakdown of the resources within the LACNIC region and information about LACNIC membership, as well as a breakdown of LACNIC members by country. He then talked about the most recent LACNIC meetings and the results of membership and policy discussions at LACNIC IV, which took place in Santiago, Chile in April 2003. Raúl then went on to highlight issues that will be discussed at the next meeting, LACNIC V in Havana, Cuba, in November 2003. He finished his report by providing information about the activities of LACNIC staff including community outreach, training, engineering projects, internal management, and RIR coordination.

Highlights included:

  • 151 members, up from 119 in 2002

  • Policies approved at LACNIC IV and already implemented cover Bulk WHOIS, IPv6 micro-allocations, and IPv4 micro-allocations for multihomed end-users

  • Proposal for policy development process to be discussed at LACNIC V

  • Working groups for LACNIC V include those dealing with lame delegations, IPv6 policy revision, experimental allocations, allocation windows, and RWhois

  • First election for two Board seats, had 31 percent participation and was held completely online

  • Six training activities this year

  • Completed engineering projects including electronic voting system, data warehousing, proactive contacts to lame delegations, daily update of statistics, and new invoicing system

There were no questions from the floor.


Presenter: Axel Pawlik, RIPE NCC Managing Director
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Axel gave a report on activities in the RIPE NCC region. Axel’s report included updates on the RIPE NCC organizational structure and staff, policies, RIPE NCC Registration Services, mirroring of the k root server, RIR coordination, and RIPE NCC information services. He also announced that RIPE 47 would take place in Amsterdam, the Netherlands in January 2004.

Highlights included:

  • Community review of RIR IPv4 allocation draft policy and IPv4 allocation policy

  • Community editorial group working on a policy covering charging by LIRs and creation of a PI task force to address minimum allocation size

  • New shorter request forms and shorter, stable completion time for requests

  • Anycast service for k root server has begun, which provides proof of concept. website updated with more routing policy information

  • Have experienced double the expected influx of new members

  • Increased number of billing categories, now includes extra-small, small, medium, large, and extra-large

  • RIPE NCC has been active in coordinating with the other RIRs, and has been providing support for the emerging AFRINIC RIR

  • Will soon provide a central entry point for all statistics maintained by the RIPE NCC

There were no questions from the floor.


Presenter: Adiel Akplogan, AFRINIC Project Manager
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Adiel presented a report on activities within the emerging AFRINIC RIR. He outlined the region that will become AFRINIC and stated that it is currently being served by three RIRs, including ARIN. Adiel provided a history of the actions taken to date to move the recognition of AFRINIC forward, and provided a detailed account of actions taken within the region in the past year. Of special note was that the host countries for AFRINIC offices have now been determined. He then went on to describe upcoming activities and provided a timeline for the transition to a recognized RIR. He completed his presentation by providing information about current statistics and projected growth of LIRs/ISPs within the region and highlighted support received from the other RIRs.

Highlights included:

  • Started hostmaster staff training through RIPE NCC in May 2003

  • Selection of host countries for AFRINIC offices:

  • Issues discussed at AFRINIC meeting in Johannesburg, South Africa in September included reviewing Terms of Reference for Hosting Countries, an agreement with hosting countries, a policy development process, and outreach and input from the local community

  • Upcoming activities include further coordination of transition timeline, construction of a new website, launch of a newsletter, incorporation of AFRINIC in Mauritius, technical transition to AFRINIC operations location, and the submittal of an application for recognition as an RIR to ICANN

There were no questions from the floor.

ICANN Address Supporting Organization Address Council Update

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Speaker: Kim Hubbard

ASO AC Member Kim Hubbard presented the ASO AC status report.

Highlights included:

  • Finalized ICANN Board election process

  • Changed ASO AC teleconference schedule from each month to every other month

  • Ongoing projects include electronic voting and discussion of the NRO draft proposal

ASO AC Election Process

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Speaker: Susan Hamlin, ARIN Director of Member Services

Susan explained the ASO AC election process by highlighting the voting and election procedures.She concluded by noting the biographies and statements of support for the candidates are available on ARIN’s website and that the person elected will represent the ARIN region for a three-year term to fill the seat currently held by interim-appointee Kim Hubbard.

ASO AC Candidates

Ray Plzak introduced the candidates for the ASO AC, reading the candidate’s statement describing their activities within the ARIN region. Candidates present at the meeting were given an opportunity to speak.

  • Timothy Biggs - not present, biography URL offered
  • Kyle Hamilton - not present, biography URL offered
  • Louis Lee - present, introduced himself and offered a statement on his qualifications

For each candidate, Ray pointed out the URLs to more detailed biographical information and statements of support, and asked that the meeting attendees make a point of reviewing this information.

ICANN Update

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Speaker: Barbara Roseman, ICANN

Barbara gave an update on ICANN. Her presentation included descriptions of the scope of ICANN activities and information about ICANN’s organizational structure and ongoing projects.

Highlights included:

  • Staffing reorganization currently underway including recruitment for several open positions

  • Three year Memorandum of Understanding signed with U.S. Department of Commerce in September 2003

  • Exploring new registry services. Internationalized Domain Names have begun to be implemented by ccTLDs and gTLDs

  • To address issues like Verisign’s SiteFinder service going forward, a process is being initiated in the Generic Names Supporting Organization to develop a policy requiring the review of new registry services prior to introduction

  • Additional ongoing work also includes WHOIS, the World Summit on the Information Society regarding ITU initiative, and WIPO 2 revolving around recommendations about how to deal with names, personal names, and acronyms of companies

  • Upcoming ICANN meetings include Carthage, Tunisia (October 2003), Rome, Italy (March 2004), Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (July 2004), and Capetown, South Africa (December 2004)

There were no questions from the floor.

Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process (IRPEP)

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Speaker: Richard Jimmerson, ARIN Director of Operations

Richard presented an overview of how the current process works. Richard explained the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process in detail.

New policy proposals were posted to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List for discussion more than 30 days prior to the start of this meeting, with all text and archive material available on the ARIN website (

General Comments:

  • Scott Bradner mentioned that the proposal for a revised policy development process was on the agenda for the next day

Policy Proposal 2002-3: Micro-assignments for Multi-homed Networks

Introduction and presentation: Bill Darte, Center for the Application of Information Technology (CAIT) at Washington University
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  • Policy Proposal Introduced - September 23, 2002
  • Presented at ARIN X
  • Revised version presented at ARIN XI (Memphis)
  • Current version posted on PPML - September 22, 2003
  • PPML Summary:
    • 165 posts
    • 37 different people
    • No one objected to reducing the minimum assignment to /22
    • The ARIN AC clarified that changes to proposals are possible provided there is general consensus for said changes
    • Some supporters of 2002-3 expressed their concern that 2003-15 jeopardizes the success of 2002-3
    • Pertains to both assignments AND allocations
    • What is the impact on ASN exhaustion?


  • Statements For and Against:

  • Responses/Clarifications:

  • Suggestions:

Polling of Consensus:

Question: Approve of Policy Proposal 2002-3?
Yes? 53 No? 5

Policy Proposal 2003-15: IPv4 Allocation Policy for the Africa Region of the ARIN Region

Introduction: Einar Bohlin, ARIN Policy Analyst
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  • Policy Proposal introduced - September 22, 2003
  • PPML Summary
    • 254 posts
    • 57 different people
    • Clear support for the proposal came from about 30 posters, including all posters from Africa
    • Those who supported the proposal said it is transitional and would help the creation of AFRINIC, as well as alleviate the problem whereby ISPs in Africa cannot get IPs from their upstreams, telco-monopoly-providers in order to effectively number their customers, multihome, peer, and/or stop using NAT
    • Those who spoke against the proposal stated that this is an unfair, special, regional policy which attempts to alleviate a political problem via number resource policy. And how will you get those uncooperative telco monopolies to route the nets anyway? .And we want /22s too

Presenters: Gregory Massel, DataPro, and Bill Woodcock, Packet Clearing House and ARIN Board of Trustees
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  • Change minimum allocation criteria for the African portion of the ARIN region only
  • Change minimum allocation size from /20 to /22 for the African portion of the ARIN region only
  • Africa is currently served by three RIRs (APNIC, ARIN, and RIPE NCC) and cannot yet implement its own policies
  • Proposal endorsed by many African ISPs and the AFRINIC Board, which will apply the policy to its region
  • Support from the AFRINIC Board
  • This policy will bootstrap membership and provide a means for ISPs to enter the RIR system within the next 12-18 months


  • Statements For and Against:

  • Questions

  • Responses/Clarifications

  • Suggestions

Polling of Consensus:

Question: Approve of Policy Proposal 2003-15?
Yes? 66 No? 6

Database Implementation Working Group (DBWG)

Working Group Chair: Ginny Listman, ARIN Director of Engineering

Ginny provided an agenda of the issues that would be discussed involving the DBWG.

DBWG Update

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Presenter** : Ginny Listman**

Ginny presented an update on ARIN database issues including a status update on the Early Registration Transfer (ERX) project and information on ongoing efforts of database cleanup. Highlights included:

  • The bulk of the ERX project is expected to be completed in April 2004. Nineteen /8s have been completed to date, with 23 more scheduled. Three /8s, of what was Class C space, are still to be scheduled.

  • Currently 79 percent of Org IDs have Point of Contact (POC) records.

  • There are 30 percent of networks with detailed reassignments without in-addr name servers. These could be converted to simple reassignments.

  • If an Org ID has no POCs, ARIN is promoting the POCs from resources up to the Org ID if all resources are sub-delegations and all the resource POC handles are the same. For those resources directly assigned or allocated, ARIN will send a notification to the resource POCs if the Org ID has no POCs.

  • Upon request, ARIN will provide a list of all “candidate detailed-reassignments.”

There were no questions from the floor.

Cryptographic Authentication

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Presenter** : Tim Christensen, ARIN Database Administrator**

Tim provided a presentation on the status of Cryptographic Authentication (CA) at ARIN. His presentation focused on the goals of implementing Cryptographic Authentication at ARIN, the scope of the project, a description of how it will be implemented, and the progress attained so far. Highlights included:

  • For those who choose CA as their method of authentication, it would provide them improvements in the security of their resource records, and would provide better database integrity for the entire community

  • Scope currently includes secure template-based registration and outbound [from ARIN] communication

  • The first phase of beta testing is currently underway to evaluate the process by which users can create certificate requests and ARIN can issue certificates. Future phases will test the use of certificates in communicating with ARIN and how certificates are renewed and revoked.

  • A demonstration of the first phase was announced to take place after the meeting on Wednesday and Thursday in the Learning Center.

After the presentation, Tim took questions from the floor.

Referral Server Field

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Presenter** : William Leibzon, Elan Communications**

William presented a proposal for changes in the Referral Server field. Highlights included:

  • RWhois, as it exists now, has several limitations

  • In January 2003, ARIN asked a group of volunteers to review and make suggestions on how ARIN can improve presentation and use of RWhois, this was done as part of an RWhois Design Team

  • RWhois Design Team generally supported these actions:

  • Proposed ReferralServer field be optional on ASN, network, and organization records, instead of just organizations as is currently implemented

  • Questions for the community:

General Comments:

  • In regards to question number 1 . . .sure, why not. It seems to make reasonable sense. Number 2 hasn’t worked the last five or six times that I know it’s been tried, but we can do it again.

  • When was it tried?

  • You can go look at the defunct RIPE working file on the IETF four years ago, you can look at some of the BIRD extensions to RPSL, you can look at some of the old IANA archives that talk about inclusion of ASN information as an alternative to the RIDD service. None of these has actually taken off. Maybe I didn’t understand what you were saying, but tying routing information which is kept locally by the ISP to something equivalent to a server has been tried. I will show you my implementation if you’d like later if I can mount the tapes and pull the data.

  • In answer to your question, I don’t see a reason not to do it, so sure, what the heck. But I also don’t see a lot of benefit to it. In regards to ARIN filling out these values automatically, I don’t think so because that might not be their preferred registry even if they are using ARIN’s registry.

  • In principle I think the idea of linking information from an ARIN routing database and an ARIN registration database is a good idea. But there’s another problem and that is that RIPE is doing this kind of thing and they’re doing it in a different way than ARIN. They don’t use WHOIS and LACNIC is actually inventing their slight variation on how to do this. And what I see missing here is something looking at the overall architectural problem. I think, in general, it’s a good idea to do some work in this direction, but I believe that more architecture work needs to be done before you get into the nitty-gritty details like this.

  • I just want to know of the people in this room who are operators or use RWhois or who would like to use RWhois or any of those variants, would any of you take advantage of these features if they were implemented? [About 6 people raised their hands.]

  • How many people are using RWhois today? Raise your hand. [About 10 people raised their hands.]

  • My company used to use RWhois, but now uses SWIPs. Our security people got tired of dealing with spam complaints because people didn’t know how to use RWhois.

  • That was a problem being discussed. And the agreement was the reason they’re not being used is that there are no tools deployed that use WHOIS and that’s why the referral server field wasn’t used in the first place. So there would be a clear reference on where to go to and it would be easier.

  • Even if you know how to use RWhois, the referral server that it may point to may not be publicly available.

Policy Proposal 2003-3: Residential Customer Privacy

Introduction: Einar Bohlin, ARIN Policy Analyst
Presentation (Read-only): PDF

  • Policy Proposal introduced - March 5, 2003
  • Presented at ARIN XI
  • Current version introduced - July 24, 2003
  • PPML Summary
    • 25 posts

    • 12 different people

    • There is no point in having contact information in the database if those contacts don ’t respond

    • Non-responsive or outdated info is better than nothing

    • Anyone who receives an allocation from ARIN should be in WHOIS. Downstream of that, the only people in WHOIS (or otherwise publicly available) should be people who want to take responsibility for their own abuse complaints.

    • What’s a private residence? What prevents anyone from calling themselves a private residence? Aren’t organizations entitled to privacy too?

    • “It’s most certainly NOT the RIR’s domain to require that my home address be listed because I received an assignment "

Presenter: Dave Barger, SBC


  • Statements For and Against:

  • Questions:

  • Responses/Clarifications:

Polling of Consensus:

Question: Approve of Policy Proposal 2003-3?
Yes? 24 No? 5

Policy Proposal 2003-9: WHOIS Acceptable Use

Introduction: Einar Bohlin, ARIN Policy Analyst
Presentation (Read-only): PDF

  • Introduced - March 6, 2003
  • Presented - ARIN XI
  • Current version posted - June 4, 2003
  • There were no substantive comments on this proposal since June 2003.

Presenter: William Leibzon, Elan Communications


  • Statements For and Against:

  • Questions:

  • Responses/Clarifications:

Polling of Consensus:

Question : Approve of Policy Proposal 2003-9?
Yes? 26 No? 1

RFC 2050 Working Group

Presentation (Read-only): PDF
Working Group Chair and Moderator: Mark McFadden

Mark provided a history of actions surrounding the updating of RFC 2050. He then put forward a proposal for drafting an Informational RFC to change the status of RFC 2050 to “Historical” and within the new RFC, reference current RIR policy documentation as well as describe the processes by which RIR policy is created. After that is done, ARIN could disband the RFC 2050 Working Group.

General Comments:

  • An informational document RFC that moves another document historic should explain why it is important to do so. So you should try and make it very clear that RFC 2050 is really not describing current policy and it’s confusing to have it still there. I think this is a great way to proceed.

  • If you deprecate RFC 2050 to historical, the RIRs will have to change the portion of their policy that says our policies are all based on RFC 2050.

  • I have talked with some of the RIRs about this. Many of the RIRs have done that already, referencing their internal documents rather than the RFC 2050.

NRO Memorandum of Understanding Discussion

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Presenter: Ray Plzak, ARIN CEO
Moderator: John Curran, ARIN Board of Trustees

Ray presented a summary of the purpose and structure of the Number Resource Organization (NRO) as well as a timeline of events leading up to this point.

General Comments:

  • I have a point of clarification. The Numbers Council, are they elected in the exact same fashion as the ASO AC is today or are they appointed?

  • There is a slight difference. Today in the Address Council, there are three members from each region and they are all elected. In the new council or proposed council, two members would be elected in the same manner from each region and a third one would be appointed by the RIR boards. This appointed person would give the RIRs a more direct input into the policy process that they don’t have at the global level.

  • First of all, I would like to let the group know on the NRO comments mailing list and also in its archives is a letter that went from the Address Council to the CEOs of the RIRs plus the RIR boards that expressed the concerns and questions that the Address Council had. There was general support for this proposal, but there’s also some significant concerns. I’m not going to reprise all of the issues that have been identified on the mailing list, but one of the things that I want to suggest is that there are some issues in the formation document, the second of the three documents that are being proposed by the RIR boards, that clearly have gone through legal counsel and it clearly has a lot of understanding behind them but when other people read them, that clarity isn’t there. Is there any meaningful opportunity to change any of those first two documents?

  • These documents went out for a 30 day comment period and comments came in towards the end of the 30 day comment period. On the other hand, there’s no reason to ask for input and then ignore it. There is every intention to have very rapid cycling of the documents among the boards to incorporate the comments we received throughout the period, including the comments from the Address Council. I’m afraid there won’t be a chance to go out for a second set of comments but we should be able to incorporate the ones we’ve seen up until today.

Open Microphone

Moderator: Richard Jimmerson

Richard Jimmerson opened the Open Microphone session saying that if there’s anything to be discussed that is not on the public policy agenda, this is the time for those issues to be brought forth.

General Comments:

  • George Michaelson - I meant to say this during Ginny’s presentation about ERX but didn’t have an opportunity. I would like to say a very good vote of thanks to Cathy Murphy who has been doing the work for the ERX transfers. It’s very much appreciated.
  • Mark McFadden - In regards to the WHOIS privacy policy proposal, I would like to point people to the IPv4 requirements for requesting additional address space [on the ARIN website]. In the existing policy we have these words “ISPs with residential customers will provide the person’s name, city, state, zip code, and country. The customer’s street address will be replaced by “Private Residence,” and the upstream POC may serve as the customer’s contact.” I’m not saying that answers the debate, but my point is that language is already in our policy, and so I think any new policy that were crafted has to reflect what’s already in our policies, and I think the distance between what we already have and what’s being proposed is very small.

Closing Announcements

Ray Plzak encouraged all attendees to complete the meeting survey available on ARIN’s website. He again expressed thanks to the meeting sponsors - Server Central and ANet. He reminded the audience about the Cryptographic Authentication demonstration taking place immediately after the meeting, the ARIN Learning Center and Terminal Room, and the ARIN social.

Meeting Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at 16:48 CDT.


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