ARIN XXIX Public Policy Meeting Day 2 Notes - 24 April 2012 [Archived]

Opening and Announcements

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the second day of the ARIN Public Policy Meeting by thanking Telus, the ARIN XXIX network sponsor. Additionally John thanked CIRA for sponsoring the Monday evening social event at Grouse Mountain. John reviewed the rules of discussion to be followed throughout the meeting, and gave a brief overview of agenda. At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 98 people were in attendance.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were 32 registered remote participants.]

ACSP Report - Reveiw of Open Suggestions

Speaker: Nate Davis, ARIN Chief Operating Officer

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Nate Davis provided an update regarding the status of all open suggestions submitted through ARIN’s Suggestion Process.

Suggestions covered:

• 2012.2: Web-Based Whois Results Improvement
• 2012.1: Restore some email functionality
• 2011.29: Add links to Query Response
• 2011.21: ARIN Online User Interface
• 2011.17: Define Access Restrictions for APIs
• 2011.7: Display Agreements Associated with Organizations
• 2010.7: IP Whois community problem reporting system

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Projects Awaiting Prioritization

Speaker: Nate Davis, ARIN Chief Operating Officer

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Nate Davis provided a presentation about unplanned functionality projects awaiting prioritization by the community in an effort to solicit feedback from community members. This included a review of planned projects.

Highlights included:

• Planned functionality
  • Hosted RPKI
  • Delegated RPKI
  • Managing Unmet IPv4 Requests
  • Payment Integration
  • SWIP Easy
• Overview of which projects for potentially useful functionality are awaiting prioritization
  • Extended stats file
  • DNSSEC Improvements
  • Streamlined Transfer Service
  • CMSD Membership/Voter Functionality
  • Integration of Internet Routing Registry within ARIN Online
  • Lame Delegation Reporting
  • Operation Test and Evaluation Services
  • Alternative RPKI-like Services
  • Retrievable Meeting Registration Data

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor.

Discussion highlights included:

• Clarification on Lame Delegation Reporting and its impact
• Suggestion to hold development forums during at least one ARIN meeting each year

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

PDP Update

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran provided an update on the state of ARIN’s Policy Development Process.

Highlights included:

• Current PDP issues and concerns
• Proposed new PDP
  • Impact on policy proposals and draft policies
  • Policy documentation issue clarifications

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Request to have the staff assessment occur after text is agreed upon by both the shepherd and the originator so as to not double the staff effort
• Request that the Policy Development Process be less dependent on these physical meetings

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Draft Policy 2012-3: ASN Transfers

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal.

Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Scott Leibrand and Bill Sandiford
• Introduced on PPML in September 2011 (ARIN-prop-157) and designated as a draft policy in March 2012. Current version: 14 March 2012
• There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [See presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott Leibrand continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

• Modifies the 8.3 transfer policy and adds an inter-RIR transfer policy (both for IPv4 addresses only)

Tim Denton, Chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights:

• Suggestion to apply this change solely to two-byte ASNs
• Clarification that 8.2 transfers can involve ASNs, and may cover most cases in which ASNs would be transferred whether or not this policy is implemented
• Note that RPKI concerns are limited in terms of drawbacks
• Clarification on legal impacts of the inclusion of ASNs in 8.3 transfers

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Tim Denton asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Tim stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2012-1: Clarifying requirements for IPv4 transfers

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Dan Alexander, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Scott Leibrand and Stacy Hughes
• Introduced on PPML on 2 May 2011 (ARIN-prop-144) and designated as a draft policy 24 August 2011. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting
• There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott Leibrand continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale

Highlights:

• Removes “single aggregate” language from 8.3 policy and aligns with current staff implementation
• Allows multiple netblocks to be transferred in a single transaction
• Reduces potential legal conflicts for ARIN and simplifies policy
• Potential drawback is that allowing smaller blocks to transfer could result in additional routes being announced in the DFZ

Tim Denton, Chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

• Implementation is contrary to wording. Seems the language needs to be changed to reflect the intended implementation
• Will solve problems by allowing things to be done in the open
• Question as to whether this allow for the transfer of blocks smaller than current minimum allocation
• This would make implementation of 8.3 easier

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Tim Denton asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Tim stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2012-2: IPv6 Subsequent Allocations Utilization Requirement

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Heather Schiller, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal.

Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Heather Schiller and Cathy Aronson
• Introduced on PPML on November 2011 (ARIN-prop-159) and designated as a draft policy February 2012. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting
• There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [See presentation and transcript links above for details]

Heather Schiller continued with the presentation of the proposal. Heather presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale

Highlights included:

• Modifies 6.5.3b to add “when 75% of the aggregate has been subnetted, and each subnet contains at least 1* customer or infrastructure allocation or assignment” to LIR subsequent allocation requirements (*1 can be replaced here with any reasonable number)
• Solves the case where an entity does not have enough address space remaining in order to create additional subnets

Tim Denton, Chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

• Concern that early adopters with short sightedness regarding their IPv6 needs may end up stuck with not enough space
• Concern that complicating the process of receiving subsequent allocations may hinder IPv6 adoption as a whole

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Tim Denton asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Tim stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2012-4: Return to 12 Month Supply and Reset Trigger to /8 in Free Pool

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Robert Seastrom, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal.

Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Robert Seastrom and David Farmer
• Introduced on PPML on January 2012 (ARIN-prop-162) and designated as a draft policy March 2012. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting
• There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Robert Seastrom continued with the presentation of the proposal. Robert presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights included:

• Allows organizations that have been a subscriber member for one year or more to request up to a twelve month supply of IPv4 address space until the ARIN free pool reaches one /8 equivalent
• Addresses the perceived over-conservation of the remaining free pool caused by the three-month rule

Discussion highlights included:

• Concern about this proposal being an overcorrection to the three-month rule
• Note that the ARIN free pool will be vastly affected by this policy should it pass and the Interop space be returned to the IANA free pool

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Tim Denton asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Tim stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

IANA Activities Report

Speaker: Elise Gerich, VP, IANA and Technical Operations

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Elise Gerich presented an update regarding IANA activities.

Highlights included:

• Recent and continuous improvements
  • Business Excellence
  • Standard process documentation
  • Security and Continuity
  • Customer Survey
• Recent key ceremony
• SysTrust certification renewal
• Time Zone Database
• Statistics
  • DNSSEC in top level domains
  • IPv6 Web Stats

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

NRO NC Report

Speaker: Louis Lee

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Louie Lee presented an update on NRO NC and ASO AC activities.

Highlights included:

• NRO NC / ASO AC Overview
• Global Policy Proposals
  • GPP-IPv4-2011: Global Policy Proposal for Post Exhaustion IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by IANA
• ASO AC Activities
  • ICANN Participation
  • ICANN Board Selection

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

NRO Activities Report

Speaker: John Curran, Chairman of the NRO Executive Council

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an update on NRO activities.

Highlights included:

• NRO Structure
• 2012 NRO Executive Committee
• ASO Overview
• NRO Finances
• ICANN Overview
• 2012 Internet Governance Forum overview
• Other developments

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

RIR Update: RIPE NCC

Speaker: Axel Pawlik, Managing Director of the RIPE NCC

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Axel Pawlik provided an update on RIPE NCC.

Highlights included:

• Policy proposal activity
• Phased business process changes as IPv4 depletes
• Clean up of information services
• TTM/DNSMON overview
• Resource certification update
• Roadmap for addressing concerns
• Charging scheme changes and task force
• Intensified regional outreach
• RIPE 65 to be held in Amsterdam in September

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor.

Discussion highlights included:

• Clarification on IPv4 Maintenance document structure

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Policy Implementation Report

Speaker: Leslie Nobile, Director, ARIN Registration Services

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Leslie Nobile provided a presentation about policies implemented since ARIN XXVIII and operational feedback on other policies.

Highlights included:

• Recently implemented policies:
  • 2011-3: Better IPv6 allocation for ISPs
  • 2010-8: Rework of IPv6 Assignment Criteria
  • 2010-12: IPv6 Subsequent Allocations for Transitional Technology

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Policy Experience Report

Speaker: Leslie Nobile, Director, ARIN Registration Services

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Leslie Nobile provided a presentation to review existing policies, identifying areas where new or modified policy may be needed.

Policies reviewed included:

• Reasssignments to Multihomed Downstream Customers (NRPM 4.2.3.6)
• Reassignment Information (NRPM 4.2.3.7.1)
• 4-Byte ASNs (NRPM )

Questions were then taken from the floor.

Highlights included:

• Request for more available data regarding request processing statistics
• Request for clarification on Multihomed Downstream Customer reassignments language to prevent loophole exploitation

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Open Policy Hour and Open Microphone

Moderator: John Curran

John Curran moderated the Open Policy Hour discussion.

Transcript

Highlights included:

• Possibility for better facilitation by community members to allow staff to better identify and deal with abusive organizations
• Suggestion that the first subsequent allocation received may be kept to keep critical infrastructure intact
• Discussion over whether the /10 of IPv4 set aside for critical infrastructure is enough
• Suggestion that meeting materials and coverage be translated to include languages spoken natively throughout the Caribbean

John Curran then moderated an open microphone session.

Transcript

Highlights included:

• Request for more detailed descriptions of engineering projects awaiting prioritization while the survey is open
• Request to accelerate implementation of 2012-1 with minimal changes, and that the Board hold off on ratification of 2011-1
• Request to ensure IPv6 adoption messaging finds its way to the Caribbean

The remaining time was dedicated to discussion of the subject of returning ARIN free pool space to IANA.

Highlights included:

• Discussion about setting parameters on the IPv4 address block sizes being returned to IANA
• Concern that the silent majority may not be properly heard if a wider consultation is not held regarding returning IPv4 addresses to IANA
• Suggestion that ARIN not accept their 1/5 share of returned space to IANA when offered as we don’t need it

Closing Announcements And Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran

Transcript

John Curran thanked network sponsor, Telus, and reminded attendees that the Members Meeting would begin tomorrow at 9:00 AM. He adjourned the meeting for the day at 5:30 PM PST.

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