Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council - 18 September 2008 [Archived]


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  • Leo Bicknell (LB), Chair
  • Dan Alexander (DA)
  • Cathy Aronson (CA)
  • Bill Darte (BD)
  • Owen DeLong (OD)
  • Scott Leibrand (SL)
  • Alec Peterson (AP)
  • Matt Pounsett (MP)
  • Heather Schiller (HS)

ARIN Staff:

  • Thérèse Colosi, Scribe
  • Nate Davis, COO
  • Ray Plzak (RP), President & CEO

ARIN Counsel:

  • Stephen M. Ryan, ESQ


  • Paul Andersen, Marla Azinger, Stacy Hughes, Robert Seastrom, Lea Roberts, Suzanne Woolf

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:02 p.m. EDT. The presence of quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for any comments. BD requested that Counsel brief the AC on any current legal matters. All agreed.

The Chair requested Counsel provide an attorney-client privileged brief to the AC at this time. Counsel provided an update.

3. Approval of the Minutes

BD moved:

“The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of August 21, 2008, as written.”

This was seconded by OD. The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.
The motion carried with no objections

4. Policy Proposal 2007-14: Resource Review Process

OD stated that there was nothing new to report and the proposal would be discussed at the ARIN Public Policy Meeting in October in Los Angles. The President and the Chair stated they would send the AC an overview of the discussions that took place regarding all of the proposals on this agenda from the recent ARIN meeting in the Bahamas that they had both attended.

5. Policy Proposal 2008-2: IPv4 Transfer Policy Proposal

SL stated he had previously sent an email to the AC for comments, and then sent a note to the PPML today, which had generated discussion on one aspect of the proposal so far.

6. Policy Proposal 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6 Allocation

Since the shepherds were unavailable to provide an update, OD stated a revision was recently posted. The Chair gave a brief update of the revisions as a courtesy to those who had not seen the recent post.

7. Policy Proposal 2008-4: Minimum Allocation in the Caribbean Region

The Chair stated he presented this in the Bahamas, and from a show of hands, nearly 100 percent showed support in favor of the proposal. However, he was disappointed in the level of advocacy of people standing up and speaking in favor of it; and, hoped they would participate on the PPML.

8. Policy Proposal 2008-5: Dedicated IPv4 block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment

MP stated that there was nothing new to report. He asked for suggestions on how to foster more discussion on the PPML. SL suggested that MP could compare this policy with a similar but different policy, recently approved at APNIC, and that could foster discussion on the PPML. The President noted issues from the Bahamas meeting as well that could serve as discussion points.

9. Policy Proposal 2008-6: Emergency Transfer Policy for IPv4 Addresses

OD stated that the focus is on 2008-2, and PPML comments are contrasted. He stated some believe this lighter policy is an improvement over 2008-2, but that some find it inferior to 2008-2. He felt it was time for both proposals to be presented in Los Angeles, and let community input decide. BD stated that additionally, most of the comments tended to say that it was confusing whether ARIN would be an intermediary or not. SL noted that there were loopholes.

10. Policy Proposal 2008-7: Whois Integrity Policy Proposal

The Chair stated that at the ARIN meeting in the Bahamas, there was a concern of making it harder to update whois (by having a contract requirement), and that people will be dis-incented from updating their records.

11. Policy Proposal: “Whois Authentication Alternatives”

CA stated she had sent a survey form to the PPML and stated that responses queried ‘why isn’t this part of the other proposal we just talked about?’ OD felt the AC should encourage the authors of the proposals in items 7, 11, 12 and 13 of this agenda, to come up with one policy. DA thought that one of the reasons to accept the whois integrity proposal had implications around an RSA, and that some of these other proposals have similar implications. Some just speak to changing a field in whois and maybe that can be dealt with through the ARIN Suggestion & Consultation Process. The Chair agreed that some aspects could be, and was an advocate of the use of that process before the use of the policy process.

CA moved:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled “Whois Authentication Alternatives”, postpones the decision on the proposal in order for the shepherds to work with the author.”

This was seconded by BD. The Chair called for discussion. Susan Hamlin commented that Ted Middlestaedt had submitted 2 suggestions through the ARIN suggestion process to modify the whois database and to add ‘last contact date’ to whois. These can be found on the ARIN website.

The Chair stated he would read them when he was online again.

BD suggested changing the motion to include ‘authors of similar proposals and suggestions’. OD suggested an amendment to include covering the proposals in items 11 12, and 13 to work with authors to try to integrate.

OD moved:

“The ARIN AC amends the motion to extend it to include items 11, 12 and 13; and, to postpone so that the shepherds can work with the authors to combine the proposals and resolve the discrepancies between them in the hopes of developing a unified proposal.”

This was seconded by SL. SL asked about 2008-7. The Chair stated that it is preferred not to change that proposal 30 days before an ARIN meeting, and it was just discussed at the ARIN Bahamas meeting. SL summed up the process to say that all proposals would be worked on to merge them after the ARIN meeting in Los Angeles. The AC concurred with this process.

The Chair asked if anyone objected to this amendment. There were no objections.

The Chair called for a roll call vote.

The motion to postpone all three proposals carried unanimously via roll call.

12. Policy Proposal: “Whois POC Email Cleanup”

Covered in the motion in Item 11.

13. Policy Proposal: “Annual WHOIS POC Validation”

Covered in the motion in Item 11.

14. Any Other Business

The Chair called for any other business. He stated the AC would meet in Los Angeles for a business meeting on the last day of the ARIN meeting beginning at 1:00 p.m. PDT. The AC agreed.

15. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 4:46 p.m. EDT. OD moved to adjourn and this was seconded by CA. The motion carried unanimously.


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