Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council - 17 June 2021

via Teleconference

Draft Minutes

These minutes are DRAFT. They have been reviewed by the ARIN Advisory Council prior to posting. These minutes will remain draft until they are reviewed and approved by the ARIN Advisory Council at their next regularly scheduled meeting.


  • Leif Sawyer, Chair (LS)
  • Andrew Dul (AD)
  • Gary Giesen (GG)
  • Kat Hunter, Vice Chair (KH)
  • Anita Nikolich (AN)
  • Amy Potter (AP)
  • Joe Provo (JP)
  • Alyssa Quinn (AQ)
  • Kerrie Richards (KR)
  • Rob Seastrom (RS)
  • Chris Tacit (CT)
  • Alicia Trotman (AT)
  • Matthew Wilder (MW)
  • Alison Wood (AW)

ARIN Staff:

  • Michael Abejuela, (MA) General Counsel
  • Richard Jimmerson, (COO) Chief Operating Officer
  • John Curran, President & CEO
  • Sean Hopkins, (SH) Senior Policy Analyst
  • Lisa Liedel, (LL) Director, Registration Services
  • Therese Simcox, Sr. Executive Assistant, Scribe
  • John Sweeting, (CCO) Chief Customer Officer

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:02 p.m. ET. The presence of a quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Review

The Chair reviewed the Agenda with the Council and called for any comments. There were no comments.

3. Approval of the Minutes

(Exhibit A)

It was moved by AQ, and seconded by RS, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of 20 May 2021, as written.”

The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.

The motion carried with no objections.

4. Draft Policy ARIN-2020-6: Allowance for IPv4 Allocation “Swap” Transactions via 8.3 Specified Transfers and 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers

RS stated, as the primary policy shepherd, that he and AP recently spoke briefly on the policy, but had no update to report. AP stated that they will review it and get up to speed on the policy since the previous primary shepherd, Owen DeLong, had recently resigned from the Council.

5. Draft Policy ARIN 2020-10: Removal of Requirement to Demonstrate Utilization of Reassignments and Reallocations for ISPs Seeking Initial Allocation from ARIN

AP stated that there has been very little interest in the policy since its inception. There have been no statements on the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) indicating that the matter was a problem needing to be solved, and some folks were opposed to the policy. She stated that she had tried to foster discussion in May on the PPML one last time, and there were no comments received.

It was moved by AP, and seconded by KH, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council abandons ‘Draft Policy ARIN 2020-10: Removal of Requirement to Demonstrate Utilization of Reassignments and Reallocations for ISPs Seeking Initial Allocation from ARIN’.”

The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously, via roll call vote.

The Chair stated the policy was abandoned and asked AP to send the appropriate announcement for posting to staff.

6. Draft Policy ARIN 2021-2: Special Use IPv4 Space Out of Scope for Purposes of Determining Waitlist Eligibility

KR stated that there has been no movement on this policy since the AC’s May meeting, but she intends to meet with MW to determine a way to foster community feedback and a timeline for getting the policy ready for the ARIN fall meeting.

AW stated that KR had met with staff and discussed the changes. As some of the edits have been met in other policy’s changes, she sent her findings to the NRPM WG suggesting that they forego the edits for this reason. She stated that she is awaiting the WG’s response and when she and KR receive information they will move forward.

8. Editorial Change ARIN-Edit- 2020-11: Add Textual Description for the Number Resource Hierarchy Image in Section 2

AD stated that this change was posted to the PPML for comments, and no comments have been received.

It was moved by AD, and seconded by RS, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council advances ‘ARIN-Edit-2020-11: Add Textual Description for the Number Resource Hierarchy Image in Section 2’ to the ARIN Board of Trustees for adoption.”

The Chair called for discussion. There was no discussion.

The motion carried with 13 in favor, via roll call vote. GG was unable to vote due to technical difficulties.

9. Editorial Change ARIN-Edit- 2021-1: ASN Clarifications to Sections 2, 8 and 10

AN stated that she and GG received the staff and legal review on Monday and, for simple wording, it is more involved than they had thought. There were six areas proposed and four areas had issues which were deemed non-editorial and, therefore, the policy cannot move forward in that vein. AN stated that she would like to meet with the staff and legal team and, next month, move it back to draft policy status. The Chair agreed.

SH stated that the community review period will end on 20 June. AN will be free to move forward with her proposed direction. He stated he would be happy to set up a meeting with the staff and legal team. AN thanked him.

KH asked that if the policy can it be split and handled as separate documents since it has both editorial changes and non-editorial changes. The Chair stated that it is an option and can be done by removing the non-editorial changes and creating and submitting a new policy proposal. AN agreed to that direction.

10. Discussion of Vacant Seat on Council

The Chair stated that on June 8, 2021, ARIN AC member Owen DeLong resigned. The AC needs to discuss the option of filling the vacant seat. For reference, per the ARIN Bylaws:

“When a vacancy occurs during the unexpired term of an elected or appointed individual, the body in which the vacancy occurs may, at its discretion, upon majority vote of the remaining members, appoint an interim member to fill the vacancy until succeeded by an individual elected at the next general election, as set forth in Article VIII. The seat of any such interim appointment shall be included in the first general election process that starts after the appointment. An individual elected as a successor serves the remainder of the unexpired term. The candidates with the highest vote total in the general election shall be elected to the three year terms, and the next highest vote total to the remainder term.”

The Chair asked the Council for their thoughts on whether to appoint the runner up from the 2020 ARIN election as an interim AC member (whose interim appointment would end on 31 December), or keep the AC as it currently stands with 14 members.

Discussion ensued with members voicing their opinions and it was decided to take a vote to determine the course of action.

It was moved by RS, and seconded by CT, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council will reach out to the next runner-up from the 2020 ARIN Election in the interest of appointing said person as an interim member of the AC until the conclusion of the 2021 ARIN Election. The 2020 runner-up will be appointed upon acceptance of the seat.”

The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.

The motion failed with 2 in favor (RS, CT) and 12 against (AD, GG, KH, AQ, AN, AP, JP, KR, AT, MW, AW, LS), via roll call vote.

The Chair stated that the AC will continue as a 14-member body until the conclusion of the elections, and he did not foresee any issues.

11. ARIN AC Working Groups

  • Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) Working Group. JP provided an update, stating that little progress has been made from last month. He stated that the WG’s monthly meeting is being shifted to next week due to other commitments. He noted that there are on-going discussions with the policy shepherds on Editorial Change 2020-9, in the role of being authors. The ball is currently in the WG’s hands. The WG will try to come to a decision next week. He further stated that definitions additions (editorial) and Section 12 work has been delayed but it is in progress.

    JP stated that since Owen DeLong was the lead on Section 6 work, the WG is regrouping to get that submitted. He invited anyone not working on another WG, who would like to volunteer for the NRPM WG to please let him know. RS asked JP to please reach out to him. JP agreed.

  • Policy Development Process (PDP) Working Group. AP stated that AD had crafted a helpful slide deck on the PDP updates/changes that have been made on the new draft. There are a bit more refinements to be made, and they will provide a redline document to staff for review. The Chair stated that he was going to provide AD with examples of policies and will be writing a document for him instead for clarity. He apologized for the delay. AD thanked him and suggested that they could have a discussion instead if the Chair desired.

  • Policy Experience Report (PER) Working Group. AW stated that they had received the PER and had met with SH to discuss it. With SH’s help, they formulated a draft policy on reducing confusion around public and private AS numbers. She asked if the policy shepherds had received it. SH stated to send it to AW stated she would do so as soon as possible.

12. Any Other Business

The Chair called for any other business.

  • Changes in AC Member Affiliation or Employment. None reported.

The Chair thanked the AC for their work.

13. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 4:43 p.m. ET. JP moved to adjourn, seconded by GG. The meeting adjourned with no objections.