ARIN XXIV Public Policy Meeting Day 2 Notes - 22 October 2009 [Archived]

Call to Order and Announcements

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the second day of the ARIN Public Policy Meeting by presenting the updated agenda and thanking network connectivity sponsors Arbor Networks and Merit Network Inc. He announced that Louie Lee had won the NRO Number Council election, and offered his congratulations. He conducted the drawing for the winner of the Wednesday Daily survey, which was won by David Williamson. He reminded attendees of the social, to be held this evening at the Henry Ford Museum, and thanked UnitedLayer for sponsoring transportation to and from the venue.

John reviewed the rules of discussion to be followed throughout the meeting.

At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 160 people were in attendance.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were approximately 49 individuals viewing the meeting webcast throughout the proceedings, and 36 registered remote participants.]

IPv6 IAB/IETF Activities Report

Speaker: Marla Azinger

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Marla Azinger provided a presentation about activities within the IETF related to IPv6. Marla noted that this presentation is not an official IETF report, as there is no official IETF Liaison to ARIN or any RIR.
Highlights included:

• Working Group reports on: Routing, IPv6 Maintenance, v6 Operations, SHIM6, BEHAVE, Secure Inter-Domain Routing (sidr), Softwire, DNS Operations, DNS Extensions, OPSEC, Global Routing Operations, Locator/Identifier Separation (LISP),
• IETF Hiroshima, Japan, 8-13 November
• Important reference links

RIR Update - APNIC

Speaker: Paul Wilson, APNIC Director General

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Paul Wilson presented a report on the activities of the APNIC community and staff.

Highlights included:

• APNIC resource delegations statistics
• Service level updates and statistics
• APNIC 28 policy outcomes
• R&D, Education, IPv6, and Service improvement updates
• Meeting information for APNIC 29, Kuala Lumpur, held in conjunction with APRICOT 2010, 23 February – 5 March 2010

NRO NC Report

Speaker: Martin Hannigan, NRO NC Member from the ARIN Region

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Martin Hannigan presented an overview of the ICANN Address Supporting Organization Address Council (ASO AC) / Number Resource Organization Number Council (NRO NC), and provided a report on its activities.

Highlights included:

• Explanation of ASO AC (NRO NC) duties
• Activity update and pending global policies
• Appointment of Ray Plzak to the ICANN Board
• NRO NC members re-elected by RIPE NCC and APNIC – Dave Wilson and Dr. Kenny Huang respectively

A Tool for Visualizing Allocations and Routes

Presenter: Lixia Zhang

Transcript

Lixia Zhang from UCLA gave an impromptu demonstration of a new tool for visualizing allocations and routes. She invited attendees to play with the software and provide feedback.

RIR Update - LACNIC

Speaker: Ricardo Patara, LACNIC

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Ricardo Patara provided a presentation about recent activities and developments within LACNIC and its region.
Highlights included:

• Staff and membership growth
• Registration statistics
• Update on new PDP and policies under discussion
• LACNIC XII, Panama City, Panama, 24-29 May 2009, LACNIC Caribbean 2 Meeting
• IPv6 education tour
• FRIDA and +RAICES program updates
• Public Affairs efforts and LACNIC Outstanding Achievement Award
• RPKI and DNSSEC at LACNIC

Draft Policy 2009-5: IPv6 Multiple Discrete Networks

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Heather Schiller, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction:PDF

Presentation:PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal.

Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Heather Schiller and Owen DeLong
• Introduced on PPML on 18 March 2009 (PP 84) and designated as a draft policy 21 July 2009. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Heather Schiller, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Heather presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Discussion highlights included:

• Who or how many requestors will benefit from this policy
• Clarification that the policy would apply to both ISPs and end users

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran took a straw poll to determine the sense of the room, and requested that remote participants submit their votes on this draft policy. After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Open Consultations

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

John Curran briefly explained the purpose of the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process and gave an update on the three ongoing consultations to solicit community participation.

The three open consultations to solicit feedback are about:

• Altering ARIN Resource Revocation Procedures
• Changing the ARIN RSS Feed about recovered address space
• Retiring ARIN E-mail POC Templates

NRO Activities Report

Speaker: Axel Pawlik, RIPE NCC Director General

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Axel Pawlik offered a brief update on activities within the NRO, highlighting participation in the Internet governance forums.
Highlights included:

• Overview of NRO role
• Overview of NRO expenses distribution
• Upcoming ICANN meeting Seoul, 25-30 October 2009
• Report on June 2009 ICANN meeting in Sydney
• IGF update, including participation at the meeting in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt
• ITU and OECD participation
• Ongoing 2009 activities and Results of NRO Retreat

RIR Update - RIPE NCC

Speaker: Axel Pawlik, RIPE NCC Director General

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Axel Pawlik provided a presentation about recent activities and developments within RIPE NCC and its region.
Highlights included:

• Membership statistics and growth update
• Plans for 2010 to include budget plans and implementing e-voting
• Information services improvements and customer services changes
• IPv6 education resources and other e-learning opportunities
• New tools: REX, Netsense, INRDB
• New “RIPE Labs” community
• External relations, communications and outreach support
• RIPE 60, 3-7 May 2010, Prague, Czech Republic

Draft Policy 2009-3 (Global Proposal): Allocation of IPv4 Blocks to Regional Internet Registries

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council

Intro: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Scott Leibrand and Marla Azinger
• Introduced on PPML on 13 January 2009 and the current version of the draft policy was published 14 September 2009. This draft policy was discussed in Bridgetown, Barbados and at ARIN XXIII.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott Leibrand, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Discussion highlights included:

• Though this is a global policy, it has been revised and no longer matches the policies put forward in the other regions
• Problems with reconciling this policy to the transfer policies in the different regions
• Concern about how “run-out” is defined
• Explanation of the rationale for distribution plan for returned space

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran took a straw poll to determine the sense of the room, and requested that remote participants submit their votes. After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

WHOIS RESTful Web Service

Speaker: Andy Newton, ARIN Chief Engineer

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Andy gave a presentation about the Whois RESTful Web Service pilot program.
Highlights included:

• What is REST and what benefits does it offer for Whois use
• How to access the demo and what you can do with it
• Different search methods using the RESTful Web Service, and searches only available via the RESTful interfact such as CIDR queries
• We want community feedback

At the conclusion of the presentation, questions were taken from the floor. Highlights included:

• What else might be added to this service; report formats and caching options
• Is this seen as a potential replacement for the current RWhois service.

For discussion details, please see the transcript

Draft Policy 2009-8: Equitable IPv4 Run-Out

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: David Farmer, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: David Farmer and Leo Bicknell
• This is the combination of two proposals (PP 93 & 94) introduced on PPML on 8 June 2009 that were combined and designated as a draft policy on 31 August 2009. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• A similar policy is being discussed in the APNIC, AFRINIC, and RIPE NCC regions
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

David Farmer, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. David presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Discussion highlights included:

• If slowing down distribution at run-out is actually helpful or fair
• Concern that this policy does not encourage IPv6 adoption
• Whether adjusting the terms of the proposal would make it more desirable or beneficial to the community.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran took a straw poll to determine the sense of the room, and requested that remote participants submit their votes on several questions related to this draft policy. After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Policy Experience REport

Speaker: Leslie Nobile, ARIN Director of Registration Services

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Leslie Nobile gave a presentation on staff’s implementation experience with two existing policies, 2008-7: Identify Invalid WHOIS POCs and M&A Transfers (NRPM 8.2). She identified areas that may require new or modified policy based on operational experience and customer feedback, and made recommendations. She solicited community feedback on these issues.

2008-7 discussion Highlights included:

• Results of ARIN’s recent WHOIS POC clean-up project,
• As part of staff’s implementation planning, whether it would be feasible for staff to contact all 359,00 POCs with reassignments directly, and whether the maintenance of those records is the responsibility of their upstream provider with whom ARIN has a contractual relationship.

M&A (NRPM 8.2) transfer discussion Highlights included:

• Whether the policy text could be clarified and the utilization requirements expanded in order to be more in line with current practice
• The time lag between the M&A event and the initiation of the transfer process, and the rate at which transfers are abandoned

For discussion details, please see the transcript

AC On-Docket Proposals Report

Speaker: John Sweeting, ARIN Advisory Council Chair

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

John Sweeting provided a presentation on the four proposals that are pending on the Advisory Council Docket, but that do not yet have draft policy status.

They include:

• Proposal 95, Customer Confidentiality
• Proposal 97, Waiting List for Unmet IPv4 Requests
• Proposal 98, Last‑Minute Assistance for Small ISPs
• Proposal 99, /24 End‑User Minimum Allocation Unit

He provided a brief description of each proposal, and invited the attendees to view the complete text on the ARIN website and to provide their feedback on the Public Policy mailing list.

Open Microphone

Moderator: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

Highlights included:

• Bill Darte thanked attendees for participating in the topic tables at lunch; he felt the feedback received would be very instructive to the AC moving forward
• Will there really be a “supersonic crash” at IPv4 run-out, and what, if anything, should ARIN do to try to stop it
• What is ARIN is doing to combat misinformation in the media about the need to adopt IPv6
• Does the community have any responsibility to create IPv4 resource set asides for localities that have less developed infrastructure, and is it beneficial to do so

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, Acting ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran reminded all attendees to complete the meeting survey, and he asked all DMRs to log in and vote in the Board and Advisory Council elections. He invited all attendees to come back tomorrow for the Member Meeting. In closing, he reminded attendees that the social would be tonight at the Henry Ford Museum and thanked UnitedLayer for sponsoring transportation to and from the venue.