ARIN PPC at NANOG 64 Notes - 01 June 2015

Table of Contents

Opening and Announcements

Speaker: Paul Andersen, Vice Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees
Transcript

Paul Andersen opened the meeting and welcomed those in attendance. Paul began the Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 64 by making meeting-related announcements and introducing those at the head table. He reviewed the meeting rules, agenda and the Discussion Guide. At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 61 people were in attendance. Paul moderated the policy discussions during the event.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were seven registered remote participants.]

Status of the IPv4 Free Pool

Speaker: Leslie Nobile, ARIN Senior Director of Global Registry Knowledge
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Leslie Nobile provided an update on the status of the IPv4 Free Pool.

  • IPv4 Countdown Plan review
  • Increase in request traffic
  • New customer profile has changed
  • Inventory review: available, quarantined, and reserved
  • Extended FTP stats

Discussion highlights:

  • How the Waiting List for Unmet IPv4 requests will work
  • ARIN won't issue multiple prefixes to fulfill a request

 For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Update on Advisory Council Activities

Speaker: Dan Alexander, Chair, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Dan Alexander provided an update on Advisory Council (AC) activities. He reviewed the current docket of draft policies and proposals.

  • Introduced the AC members in the room – see them if you want to talk policy outside this session
  • Seven proposals submitted in 2015
    • Four Draft Policies will be discussed today
    • Three have not yet been accepted as Draft Policies – they are in initial review
  • AC is looking for ways to increase the amount of community feedback on proposals
  • Considering NRPM simplification 

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Draft Policy ARIN-2015-1: Modification to Criteria for IPv6 Initial End-User Assignments

Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Paul Andersen introduced Scott Leibrand who presented the rationale for the proposal and solicited feedback.

Background

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Scott Leibrand and David Huberman
  • Introduced on PPML in March 2015 (ARIN-prop-215)
  • This draft policy was discussed during the ARIN 35
  • Policy seeks to make it easier for end-users to get IPv6 without requiring IPv4
  • Provided use cases where this would be beneficial
  • Solicited feedback on this proposal

Paul Andersen moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights

  • Would getting IPv6 under this policy make it possible to get IPv4 from the block reserved for transition to IPv6?
  • Requiring 13 sites seems steep for small users who want to deploy IPv6. 

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients)

Speaker: Tina Morris, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Paul Andersen introduced Tina Morris who presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Background

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Cathy Aronson and Chris Tacit
  • Introduced on PPML in May 2015 (ARIN-prop-216)
  • This is the first time this draft policy is being discussed at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation
  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Noted this is a topic of active discussion on PPML
  • Solicited feedback from the audience

Paul Andersen moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights

  • Why do you need to transfer space from ARIN to APNIC in order to support a business in China?
  • This proposal seems to focus on extending the life of IPv4.  Why not focus effort on increasing IPv6 deployment, rather than just shuffling IPv4?
  • This seems like a problem to solve, but this draft is not ready to move forward.
  • If space isn't being efficiently used in one region, I don't see the problem with moving space where it can be used.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

Speaker: John Springer, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Paul Andersen introduced John Springer who presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Background

  • Advisory Council shepherds: David Farmer and Leif Sawyer
  • Introduced on PPML in May 2015 (ARIN-prop-217)
  • This is the first time this draft policy is being discussed at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation
  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Request for community feedback

Paul Andersen moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights

  • Agree with getting rid of the 30-day requirement.
  • Striking the 25% requirement creates potential for abuse.
  • The 25% in one month then 50% in a year seems nonsensical.
  • There were no specific suggestions on what would be reasonable.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Draft Policy ARIN-2015-4: Modify 8.2 section to better reflect how ARIN handles reorganizations

Speaker: Kevin Blumberg, Vice Chair, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Paul Andersen introduced Kevin Blumberg who presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Background

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Owen DeLong and Andrew Dul
  • Introduced on PPML in May 2015 (ARIN-prop-218)
  • This is the first time this draft policy is being discussed at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation
  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Clarification would make it simpler for organizations to clean up their data
  • Solicited feedback from the audience

Paul Andersen moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights

  • What is the difference between a merger & acquisition and a reorganization in ARIN's point of view?
  • Anything that makes it easier to keep organization data up to date and to consolidate Org Ids is a good idea.
  • This is an example of how the NRPM is overly specific about operational practices. 

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Future ARIN Public Policy Consultations (PPCs)

Speaker: Paul Andersen, Vice Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees
Transcript

Paul Andersen explained how the concept of the Public Policy Consultation developed. Dan Alexander posed a question to the audience regarding what would be most useful to the operator community as a way to inform and solicit input.

Discussion highlights

  • Five meetings is too many, soliciting operator community input is good, but treating it as part of the policy development process is a bad idea
  • If PPCs carry the same weight as a PPM then the full Board and Advisory Counsel should be present
  • Is there any reason why both ARIN meetings can't be co-hosted with NANOG to maximize input and minimize travel
  • The NANOG program committee is also considering the value that the PPC brings to NANOG, so this discussion is timely
  • PPC's allow the AC to move the discussion forward.  The virtual venues don't seem spark the same level of input
  • Virtual options need to be improved to be useful
  • The Public Policy Consultation is a poor substitute for a Public Policy meeting
  • Other suggestions on ways to schedule ARIN meetings

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: Paul Andersen, Vice Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees
Transcript

Paul Andersen thanked everyone for their participation and he invited attendees to join us at ARIN 36 in Montreal in October. He noted that the feedback from all the policy discussions would be provided to the AC for their consideration.