ARIN PPC at NANOG 63 Notes - 03 February 2015

Table of Contents

Opening and Announcements

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Transcript

John Curran opened the meeting and welcomed those in attendance. John began the Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 63 by making meeting-related announcements and introducing those at the head table. He reviewed the meeting rules, agenda and the Discussion Guide. At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 60 people were in attendance. John moderated the policy discussions during the event.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were seven registered remote participants.]

Update on Advisory Council Activities

Speaker: Dan Alexander, ARIN Advisory Council Chair
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Dan Alexander provided an update on Advisory Council activities. He reviewed the current docket of draft policies and proposals.

  • Introduced the AC members in the room – see them if you want to talk policy outside this session
  • Three Recommended Draft Policies and Four Draft Policies
  • There is a room reserved for after this session if anyone wants to continue discussing any policy topics

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2014-1: Out of Region Use

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: David Farmer, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal noting that this policy is a recommended draft.

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Milton Mueller and Tina Morris
  • Introduced on PPML in January 2014 (ARIN-prop-192)
  • This draft policy was discussed during the ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 60, 61, & 62, as well as ARIN 33 and ARIN 34
  • Became a Recommended Draft Policy in December 2014
  • Review of the staff and legal assessment

David presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

  • Problem statement has not changed but the text has changed significantly from the original proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Need to determine if this is consistent with related ICANN policy (ICP-2), or if it needs to be
  • How will this impact the way ARIN conducts transfers
  • Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chair moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights:

  • How does this relate to space allocated using the Waiting List?
  • If we violate the guidelines behind ICP-2, what keeps anyone else from starting a competing registry outside the regional registry system?
  • This policy should not be implemented prior to free pool exhaustion
  • This policy should be for ARIN-based organizations rather than multi-nationals who are eligible to get addresses from other RIRs

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: David Huberman, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal noting that this policy is a recommended draft.

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Andrew Dul and Owen DeLong
  • Introduced on PPML in May 2014 (ARIN-prop-209)
  • This draft policy was discussed at the ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 61 & 62, as well as ARIN 34
  • Review of the staff and legal assessment

David presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Changes to the text since ARIN 34
  • The AC plans to move this proposal to Last Call after this meeting
  • Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chair moderated discussion.

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation. Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against this recommended draft policy going to last call (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use for use in its deliberations.

Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2014-19: New MDN Allocation Based on Past Utilization

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Cathy Aronson, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal noting that this policy is a recommended draft.

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Cathy Aronson and Andrew Dul
  • Introduced on PPML in September 2014 (ARIN-prop-211)
  • This draft policy was discussed at the ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 62 and ARIN 34
  • Review of the staff and legal assessment

Cathy Aronson presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Request for community input – is this a necessary clarification to policy?

Paul Andersen, Vice-chair moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights:

  • This policy was written to allow a MDN to split a network and have the new network considered "new"
  • This policy will not change operational practice at ARIN

At the end of discussion, Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against this recommended draft policy going to last call (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Draft Policy ARIN-2014-6: Remove Operational Reverse DNS Text

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Kevin Blumberg, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Background:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Robert Seastrom and Kevin Blumberg
  • Introduced on PPML in January 2014 (ARIN-prop-198)
  • This draft policy was discussed at the ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 60, 61, & 62, as well as ARIN 33 and ARIN 34

Kevin presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text  - this policy includes removal of 7.1 and 6.5.6
  • Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chair moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights:

  • ARIN services will not change. ARIN still delegates.
  • Lame delegation testing and removal is a separate issue
  • Number policy should not include operational practice or business policy
  • Are there negative consequences to removing this requirement?

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Draft Policy ARIN-2014-14: Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers Recommended

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Dan Alexander, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Background:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Andrew Dul and John Springer
  • Introduced on PPML in May 2014 (ARIN-prop-204)
  • This draft policy was discussed at the ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 61 & 62, as well as ARIN 34

Dan presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

  • Update on the proposal status
  • Lots of discussion on this proposal in-person and on the mailing list
  • Original problem statement has been debated because of the time needed for needs test. This has been proven to not be the source of previous processing delays
  • A rewrite of this proposal is likely
  • Request for community input  

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4 Recommended

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: David Farmer, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Background:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: David Farmer and John Springer
  • Introduced on PPML in November 2014 (ARIN-prop-213)
  • This is the first time this draft policy is being discussed at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation

David presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Would like to move this Recommended status before ARIN 35
  • Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chair moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights:

  • How many of these types of allocations were made in 2014?
  • Clarification that gTLDs are excluded from the CI pool.
  • Is a /16 too large an amount of space to reserve for special use at this time?
  • Are IXP providers currently getting space from the free pool or are they getting it from the CI pool? Do we have a good sense of how much this reserve will be needed after IPv4 run out?

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Draft Policy ARIN-2014-22: Removal of Minimum in Section 4.10

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Kevin Blumberg, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Background:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Heather Schiller and Rob Seastrom
  • Introduced on PPML in November 2014 (ARIN-prop-214)
  • This is the first time this draft policy is being discussed at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation

Kevin presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Do we need to change the allocation size?
  • Are there concerns about routablity of these prefixes
  • Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chair moderated discussion.

Discussion highlights:

  • Minimum should be /24, because /28 is not of much value
  • Presumes that ISPs won't update their filters – how many will update their filters to allow routing on /28
  • Changing the minimum from /28 to /24 reduces the number of organizations that will be able to take advantage of this policy
  • ARIN policy should not be dictating operational practice

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

John Curran thanked everyone for their participation and he invited attendees to join us at ARIN 35 in San Francisco in April. He noted that the feedback from all the policy discussions would be provided to the AC for their consideration.