Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, 17 September 2009



  • John Sweeting, Chair
  • Dan Alexander (DA)
  • Marc Crandall (MC)
  • Bill Darte (BD)
  • Owen Delong (OD)
  • David Farmer (DF)
  • Stacy Hughes (SH)
  • Scott Leibrand (SL)
  • Heather Schiller (HS)
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)

Minute Taker

  • Therese Colosi

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin, Policy Analyst
  • John Curran, President & CEO
  • Nate Davis, COO
  • Leslie Nobile, Director, Registration Services


  • Paul Andersen
  • Cathy Aronson
  • Marla Azinger
  • Leo Bicknell
  • Lea Roberts

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:06 p.m. EDT. The presence of quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for comments. Chair stated that Item 4 would be deferred until LR joined, as she would be late to the meeting.

ND requested a discussion regarding the ARIN Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) concerning edits that had been made, and the staff email that had been sent to the AC this afternoon.  The Chair added this item under Any Other Business.

HS requested reporting comments that the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) had on Draft Policy 2009-3 (via Jason Schiller of the Address Supporting Organization Address Council (ASO AC)).  The Chair added this item to Item 5 on the agenda.

3. Approval of the Minutes

It was moved by SL and seconded by OD that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of August 20, 2009, as written."

The Chair called for comments. There were no comments.

The motion carried with no objections.

4. Draft Policy 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6 Assignment

Deferred by the Chair as previously stated.

5. Draft Policy 2009-3 (Global Policy Proposal): Allocation of IPv4 Blocks to Regional Internet Registries

SL stated there had not been any changes. He stated he had decided not to include any further language due to lack of consensus. HS stated that Jason Schiller of the ASO AC relayed that the ASO would like the ARIN AC to draft a statement regarding why the ARIN AC felt the need to change this policy in the ARIN region. She explained that the ASO would take this statement and discuss it in the other regions to help them consider changing the policy and keep it global. The ASO is requesting the statement be drafted and ready before the upcoming RIPE meeting in Lisbon in October. SL stated that this would not be a problem, and would be able to have a statement drafted by next week.

The Chair advised SL to post the statement to the AC's list for review, and he would then forward it to Jason Schiller for delivery to the ASO.

6. Draft Policy 2009-5: IPv6 Multiple Discrete Networks

OD and HS stated this draft policy is ready for discussion at the ARIN XXIV Meeting next month.

7. Draft Policy 2009-6: (Global) Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks (ASNs) to Regional Internet Registries

SH stated that this draft policy achieved consensus in the APNIC region and it is ready discussion at the ARIN XXIV Meeting next month. She stated this policy is also being received positively in the other regions.

8. Draft Policy 2009-7: Open Access to IPv6

OD stated there have been no changes; and, it is ready for discussion at the ARIN XXIV Meeting next month.

9. Draft Policy 2009-8: Equitable IPv4 Run Out

DF stated he had changed the ‘12 month' heading of a section upon the recommendation of staff.  He noted that the ‘three month' heading of a previous section may also need to be changed and asked title it should have.

The Chair requested that EB review this request, and recommend the appropriate title change to the AC and DF. EB stated he would do so.

10. Proposal #95: Customer Confidentiality

This proposal has been deferred until after the ARIN XXIV Meeting in October.

11. Proposal #97: Waiting List for Unmet IPv4 Requests

This proposal has been deferred until after the ARIN XXIV Meeting in October.

12. Proposal #98: Last Minute Assistance for Small ISPs

BD stated that there was no update to report; and, that this proposal is on the AC's docket. He noted that there had been no discussion on the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML). DF thought it would make a great lunch table topic at ARIN XXIV. The Chair stated that he is in touch with staff, and that this proposal will be brought up during the ARIN XXIV luncheon.

13. Proposal #99: /24 End User Minimum Allocation Unit

OD stated that there was no update to report; and that this proposal is on the AC's docket.

14. Any Other Business

The Chair called for any other business. RS reported that LR contacted him to say that unfortunately, she would be unable to participate on this conference call. The Chair stated that they would then discuss item 4 at this time.

4. Draft Policy 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6 Assignment

It was moved by SH and seconded BD by that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at ARIN Public Policy Meetings, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, supports Draft Policy 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6 Assignment and recommends the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt it."

The Chair called for discussion. SL asked if this was based on the AC's opinions or what the community thinks? SH stated that the draft policy is in Last Call, people have supported it and it has had support throughout the process. She stated that it has been discussed for three years and should move forward. BD agreed. OD stated that the community support is strong overall and agreed that it should move forward.

The Chair stated that the AC should be voting on whether they as a body feel it is a well thought out, well-stated, needed policy for ARIN to adopt.  DA stated that no one is arguing it is a good policy, but he believed it opens the door for abuse of policies and the number of people it would help, and was not in support of adopting this proposal.

The motion carried via roll call with 6 in favor to adopt, and 4 against (DA, MC, HS, JS) via roll call.

The Chair stated they would resume the agenda and called for any other business.

DA stated he needed to leave the call at this time (4:27 p.m.)

ND stated that EB had sent editorial and administrative edits to the NRPM, subject to AC review, to make sure they were not within policy boundaries. He explained that during last Board meeting in August, the Board looked at an alternative method to expedite this review process. It was the sense of the Board that future review of editorial and administrative edits will be provided to the AC for review. The AC should review and provide feedback with regard to the fact that changes are indeed editorial and administrative - not within the bounds of policy. He stated that no changes will be implemented until the AC has reviewed them.

ND then asked if a 10-business day review period would be sufficient. It was the sense of the AC that this would be enough time. JC stated that based on that information, if staff does not hear from the AC that there is a problem, after 10 business days the changes will be implemented.

The Chair stated that OD and DF had posted emails on this subject, and asked if they had any concerns. They had no comments.

15. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 4:34 p.m. EDT. It was moved by OD and seconded by SH that the meeting be adjourned.

The motion carried unanimously with no objections.