Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, 17 January 2008



  • Leo Bicknell (LB), Chair   
  • Marla Azinger (MA), Vice Chair     
  • Dan Alexander (DA)           
  • Paul Andersen (PA)     
  • Bill Darte (BD)  
  • Owen DeLong (OD)       
  • Scott Leibrand (SL) 
  • Matt Pounsett (MP)           
  • Lea Roberts (LR) 
  • Heather Schiller (HS)
  • Rob Seastrom      (RS) 
  • Stacy Taylor (ST)      
  • Suzanne Woolf (SW)

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin, Policy Analyst
  • Therese Colosi, Scribe
  • Nate Davis, COO
  • Richard Jimmerson, CIO
  • Leslie Nobile (LN), Director, Registration Services
  • Ray Plzak (RP), President & CEO

ARIN Counsel:

  • Stephen M. Ryan


  • Cathy Aronson


  • Alec Peterson

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:05 p.m. EST. The presence of quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

3. Approval of the Minutes 

BD moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of December 20, 2007 as written."

This was seconded by PA. The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

RS joined the call at this time (4:06 p.m. EST).

The motion carried unanimously with no objections.

4. Policy Proposal 2007-21: PIv6 for Legacy Holders with RSA and Efficient Use

Counsel joined the call at this time (4:09 pm EST).

PA moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the policy proposal entitled ‘2007-21: PIv6 for Legacy Holders with RSA and Efficient Use' sends it back to the community."

This was seconded by SW. The chair called for discussion. PA stated that the ARIN Board remanded this proposal to the AC for further work. He suggested that it be put out to the PPML for discussion until the AC's next scheduled teleconference. OD stated that what Board had remanded was a specific aspect the community's discussion, and he suggested moving it to Last Call again, with a request for input through the proposal process with regard to the text reflecting the word "‘all' versus ‘a' direct IPv4 assignments". OD felt it was pretty clear at the last ARIN Public Policy meeting that there was consensus for the word "all" and that the word "a" was a typographical error. He stated however, that the Board did not feel that conclusion was sufficient. 

Discussion ensued between AC members on whether to return the proposal back to the community, induce an extended 30 day last call period, or request that the ARIN Board accept the proposal with the language corrected.

After much discussion, it was the sense of the AC that they postpone this proposal until they could discuss the matter further. PA withdrew his motion.

MA moved:

"The ARIN AC postpones this proposal in order to further discuss on their mailing list."

This was seconded by PA.  The Chair called for any further discussion.  BD, ST, and SW stated they supported this motion.

 Motion carried via roll call with one abstention (SL).

As a point of order, the Chair called for a volunteer to be an additional shepherd for this proposal. OD volunteered. SW and OD will work with SL (the author) and report back to the AC.

5.  Policy Proposal 2007-22: Expand timeframe of Additional Requests

MA moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "2007-22: Expand timeframe of Additional Request", requests it be accepted by the ARIN Board."

This was seconded by MP. The Chair called for discussion. MA explained that she made the motion because she did not agree with why the Board remanded it. She believed this proposal went through the process accurately and that the proposal was favorable in that it would result in de-aggregation. A majority of the AC felt that this proposal had met all the conditions for consensus. 

DA provided clarification that it was not that the Board had an objection against consensus of the proposal. He explained that a small change was presented and discussed on the floor during last ARIN meeting; however, it was not incorporated into the text for last call to the PPML.  DA read the text change: "After an organization has been a subscriber member of ARIN for one year, they may choose to request up to a 12 month supply of IP addresses." He explained the change was "ARIN subscriber member" from "ARIN member". This change was indeed left out of the text that went through last call. DA stated it was this issue with which the Board was concerned.

Further debate ensued regarding whether the version of the proposal that the Board reviewed was the same version that was posted to last call, as different versions had been posted and reviewed.

It was further clarified on the call that the version the ARIN Board had received was the version that was presented on, debated on, and straw-polled on, at the ARIN Public Policy Meeting.

MA felt the minor textual change that was presented versus what was posted to last call on the PPML did not change the intent of the proposal.  However, given there were a few AC members that wanted to resubmit this proposal to last call due to the oversight, she withdrew her motion.

OD moved:

"The ARIN AC having reviewed the Policy Proposal entitled,"2007-22: Expand Timeframe of Additional Request", has determined that due to an error in posting during last call, it be reviewed again in last call with the correct text, and once it goes through last call, it be forwarded the ARIN Board for final approval."

This was seconded by MP. The Chair called for discussion. RP stated the motion assumes that the last call will go as assumed. OD agreed and accepted RP's statement as a friendly amendment to strike the assumptive portion of the motion.

The new motion reads:

"The ARIN AC having reviewed the Policy Proposal entitled"2007-22: Expand Timeframe of Additional Request", has determined that due to an error in posting during last call, it be reviewed again in last call with the correct text."

The Chair called for any objections. MP stated that this made sense to him, and would not delay the proposal.

The motion carried via roll call, with one abstention (DA).

6.  Policy Proposal 2007-14: Resource Review Process

RS stated he had no update at this time. The Chair stated he himself had sent information to the authors and that one author received the Chair's update to date.

7. Policy Proposal: 2007-16: IPv4 Soft Landing

BD stated he recently sent David Conrad information. He explained that David had apologized for the delay; and, still planned on revising the proposal and submitting it to APNIC. David stated that Geoff Houston would be providing projections. BD stated that David anticipated that it will be ready by February 7, and that he, Leo Vegoda, or Barbara Roseman would be presenting it at the ARIN Meeting in April.

8.  Policy Proposal: 2007-17: Legacy Outreach and Partial Reclamation

LR stated that the author sent a status update spontaneously, but the author has not completed the policy proposal revision. The author intends to have the proposal ready in time for the ARIN meeting in Denver. RP clarified that February 7 is the deadline for new proposals, and March 8th is the 30 day deadline.

9. Policy Proposal: 2007-23: End Policy for IANA IPv4 Allocations to RIRs

DA stated he had received no response from authors. RS stated the same. The Chair asked them to remind the authors of the March 8 deadline and ask them if they intend to present.

10.  Policy Proposal: 2007-24: IPv6 Assignment Guidelines

The Chair called for a volunteer to help shepherd this proposal. MP volunteered. ST stated there had been no discussion on this proposal at all. The Chair asked them to remind the authors of the March 8 deadline and ask them if they intend to present.

11. Policy Proposal: 2007-26: Deprecate Lame Server Policy

RS stated that the author had sent email this morning.

12. Policy Proposal: 2007-27: Cooperative Distribution of the End of the IPv4 Free Pool

The Chair stated that there was no update at this time. BD reported the same.

The Chair stated that the AC needs to try to get updates and if the shepherds cannot do so, to please discuss the matter with him. BD also suggested the authors withdraw the proposals if there are no updates. RP suggested the shepherds stir up discussion on the PPML. All agreed.

13. Policy Proposal 200-Reduction-

PA stated the author is withdrawing this proposal. It was noted that the AC can email the President to formally withdraw the proposal; and PA stated did so during this meeting. RP confirmed that staff will post that this proposal has been withdrawn.

14. Any Other Business

The Chair called for any other business. BD suggested that the AC craft a shepherds "to-do list" and templates for making the AC aware of up to date information on proposals and post it to their website. He felt it would be helpful guidance to all AC members and volunteered to get this done. The Chair agreed and stated he would work with BD. 

PA then suggested it would it make sense to start labeling the version of proposal texts. OD agreed. RP stated he was discussing that with staff as well, and staff will be working on it.

15. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 5:08 p.m. EST. MP moved to adjourn, and this was seconded by RS. The motion carried unanimously.