Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

30 October 2001
Miami, Florida



  • Alec Peterson, Chairman
  • Steve Corbato (arrived at 6:20 pm)
  • Bill Darte
  • Avi Freedman
  • Bill Manning (arrived at 6:15 pm)
  • Rob Roberts
  • Barbara Roseman
  • John Sweeting
  • Cathy Wittbrodt
  • Ray Plzak, ARIN President
  • Richard Jimmerson, ARIN Director of Operations
  • David Conrad, ARIN Board of Trustees
  • Scott Marcus, ARIN Board of Trustees
  • Michael Straty, ARIN Board of Trustees
  • Dennis Molloy, ARIN Counsel
  • Susan Hamlin, Recording Secretary
  • Apologies: Kevin Martin, Justin Newton
  • Absent: Tony Li, Guy Middleton, Jeremy Porter


Advisory Council Chairman Alec Peterson called the meeting to order at 6:10 PM. Roll call attendance was taken. The agenda was reviewed and adopted.

Policy Proposal 2001-1: Reassignments (/29 to /28)

Proposal: It is currently required that all /29 and shorter reassignments be reported to the ARIN WHOIS database via SWIP or RWHOIS. It is proposed this policy be modified to require reporting for /28 and shorter reassignments only.

Barbara Roseman moved that the Advisory Council recommend to the Board of Trustees that the policy proposal not be taken into consideration, as there was no consensus in favor of it expressed during the public policy meetings or on the mailing lists.

Cathy Wittbrodt seconded the motion. A call for discussion resulted in no further action. The motion passed unanimously by a voice vote.

Policy Proposal 2001-2: /24 Reassignment for multihoming

Proposal: A downstream customer's multihoming requirement will serve as justification for a /24 reassignment from their upstream ISP regardless of host requirements.

There was much discussion centered on the favorable consensus for this policy expressed in the public policy meetings as well as the need for further clarification.

Barbara Roseman moved that the Advisory Council recommend, based on consensus expressed on the mailing lists and in the public policy meetings, that the Board of Trustees ratify the proposed policy, with the addition of the following two amendments:

  • Customer must cite their asn as justification for address space
  • Customer may receive space from only one of its upstream providers without additional justification

Ron Roberts seconded the motion. There being no further discussion a roll call vote was called wherein the motion passed by unanimous vote.

Action Item: Barbara Roseman volunteered to post to the Public Policy mailing list a last call on this policy proposal with the suggested amendments.

Policy Proposal 2001-3: IPv6 Micro-assignments

Proposal: Extend the existing IPv4 micro-allocation policy for exchange points, gTLDs, ccTLDs, RIRs, and ICANN to include IPv6 micro-allocations. ARIN's current IPv4 micro-allocation policy is documented at:

There was discussion to summarize the comments made regarding this policy during the public policy meetings.

Avi Freedman moved that the Advisory Council recommend to the Board of Trustees the adoption of the current Ipv4 micro-allocation policy for IPv6, changing the reference to /24 to reflect a /64 for IPv6.

John Sweeting seconded the motion. Further discussion was called for and Bill Manning noted that he thought it was a bad idea. A roll call vote was taken. The motion passed by a vote of 8 ayes and 2 abstentions (Mark Kosters and Bill Manning).

Policy Proposal 2001-4: Modification of the IPv6 allocation policies

Proposal: The three RIRs have compiled the proposal document provided below using feedback received from the RIR communities since the publishing of the provisional IPv6 document in 1999. In the interest of maintaining global IPv6 policies, the IPv6 policy discussion in the ARIN region will be held in conjunction with discussions taking place in the APNIC and RIPE NCC regions. When formulating this framework document, the RIRs took the following feedback into account:

  • The allocation criteria should be such that it is easy to obtain IPv6 address space.
  • The size of the initial allocation should be large enough to allow flexibility in addressing infrastructure and customer sites.

This results in the following proposed IPv6 allocation criteria considerations:

  1. recognize existing infrastructure (both IPv4 and IPv6) where it exists and calculate IPv6 address needs based on existing networks.
  2. apply the slow start mechanism only for 'IPv6 only' networks without existing IPv4 infrastructure
  3. reduce the minimum allocation size for those IPv6 only networks (unless larger requirements are shown)
  4. measure the utilization rate with the HD ratio rather than percentages
  5. make subsequent allocations when the HD ratio is reached

Based on the discussions in the public policy meetings, the Advisory Council agreed to revise the current proposal and send it back out to the global v6 list for additional comment.

Action Item: The Advisory Council is to report to the Board of Trustees on the discussion of the AC tonight and the consensus reached on the mailing lists and in the public policy meetings. Ron Roberts volunteered to write the status report and revised language concerning what to use as a utilization standard. Bill Manning agreed to comment on Ron's draft. This will be posted to the Advisory Council list within one week for their review within the following week.

Policy Proposal 2001 -5: Micro assignments for multi-homed sites

Proposal: Establish a micro-assignment policy that would allow entities, using multihoming as justification, to obtain an assignment from ARIN longer than the current minimum assignment size of a /20.

John Sweeting moved that the Advisory Council recommend to the Board of Trustees that no action be taken on this policy proposal, based on the substantial consensus as expressed in the public policy meetings and mailing lists that it is a bad idea.

Mark Kosters seconded the motion. There was no further discussion. The motion passed by a roll call vote of 8 yeas, 1 abstention (Bill Darte) and 1 nay (Bill Manning). Following the vote Bill Darte commented that he did not believe the statistics were available yet to make such a decision.

Policy Proposal 2001 -6: Single organizations with multiple aggregation points

Noting that there was general consensus for this policy proposal expressed on the mailing list and during the public policy meeting, the Advisory Council agreed in principal that they supported the proposal. They noted, however, that Andrew Dul agreed to edit the current version, based on comments, and post it back to the ppml list.

Action Item: John Sweeting will send a note to the mailing list asking for comments on the revised proposal by 23:59 EST Nov. 8

Action Item: The Advisory Council will hold a teleconference call on Friday, November 9 at 11:00 AM PCT Friday, Nov. 9 to discuss the mailing list feedback and to formulate a final policy proposal to post for final call prior to the December 11 Board of Trustees meeting.

Policy Proposal 2001 - 7: Copies of the WHOIS database

Proposal: It is proposed that ARIN provide a bulk copy of WHOIS output, minus point of contact information, on the ARIN FTP site for download by any organization that wishes to obtain the data providing that they agree to ARIN's acceptable use policy that would accompany the data.

The Advisory Council discussed the favorable consensus expressed toward this proposal in the public policy meeting. There was some debate among the AC members concerning the need for a signed AUP prior to release of the data.

Avi Freedman moved that the Advisory Council recommend that the Board of Trustees ratify the proposed policy based on the consensus expressed in the public policy meetings.

Steve Corbato seconded the motion. Discussion followed wherein Cathy Wittbrodt asked that the AC be certain everyone understands the data would be open to any organization signing an AUP, and that it be mentioned in the members meeting tomorrow.

The motion passed unanimously by a roll call vote.

In further discussion Bill Darte moved that the Advisory Council advise the Board of Trustees that the existing ARIN AUP should be revised to reflect the new situation Barbara Roseman seconded the motion. There being no further discussion, the motion was called to a vote and passed unanimously by voice vote.

Bill Darte moved that the meeting adjourn at 8:10 PM. John Sweeting seconded the motion. The meeting was adjourned by unanimous vote.