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ARIN PPC at NANOG 58 Notes - 4 June 2013

Table of Contents

Opening and Announcements

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Transcript

John Curran opened the meeting and welcomed those in attendance.

John began the Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 58 by making meeting-related announcements and introducing those at the head table. He reviewed the meeting rules, agenda and the Discussion Guide. At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 51 people were in attendance. Paul Andersen moderated the policy discussions during the event.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were 14 registered remote participants.]

Update on Advisory Council Activities

Speaker: John Sweeting, ARIN Advisory Council Chair
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Sweeting provided an update on Advisory Council activities. He reviewed the current docket of draft policies and proposals.

  • Draft Policies
    • Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-1: Section 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers of ASNs
    • Draft Policy ARIN-2013-2: 3GPP Network IP Resource Policy
    • Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles
    • Draft Policy ARIn-2013-5: LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions
  • Proposals
    • ARIN-prop-186 Section 8.2 Reorganizations
    • ARIN-prop-189 Allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-1: Section 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers of ASNs

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Scott Leibrand and Robert Seastrom
  • Introduced on PPML in January 2013 (ARIN-prop-183) and designated as a draft policy 31 January 2013. This draft policy has been presented at the PPC @ NANOG 57 and at ARIN 31, after which it remained on the AC-docket for additional work.
  • There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
  • Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]
  • Review of previous community discussion of the proposal

Scott Leibrand continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

  • Overview of text changes
  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Benefits and drawbacks to the policy

Paul Andersen, Vice-chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Whether the proposal was necessary or useful
  • The issue of need as a requirement for ASN allocations
  • Perceived value of ASNs as compared to IPv4 and how this impact transferability between regions

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy ARIN-2013-2: 3GPP Network IP Resource Policy

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Scott Leibrand and Robert Seastrom
  • Introduced on PPML in March 2013 (ARIN-prop-184) and designated as a draft policy 27 March 2013. This draft policy was discussed at ARIN 31, and it was determined that more work was needed.
  • There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
  • Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott Leibrand continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

  • Overview of text changes
  • Rationale for the proposal
  • ARIN 31 discussion
  • Potential benefits and drawbacks

Paul Andersen, Vice-chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Does this solve a problem?
  • Why not move to IPv6 instead?

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2013-4: RIR Principles

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Bill Darte, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Chris Grundemann, Cathy Aronson, and Owen DeLong
  • Introduced on PPML in April 2013 (ARIN-prop-187)
  • This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation.
  • There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
  • Staff Impact Analysis and Legal Review to be performed at the request of the AC when the Draft Policy is fully developed. [see presentation and transcript links above for details] ]

Bill Darte continued with the presentation of the proposal. Bill presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of text
  • Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Should the needs basis for resources be documented in this way
  • Has the text of RFC 2050 been compared to RFC2050bis?
  • Desire for further analysis of the draft policy and relevant RFC

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2013-5: LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Kevin Blumberg, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Chris Grundemann, Cathy Aronson, and Owen DeLong
  • Introduced on PPML in May 2013 (ARIN-prop-188)
  • This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation.
  • There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
  • Staff Impact Analysis and Legal Review to be performed at the request of the AC when the Draft Policy is fully developed. [see presentation and transcript links above for details] ]

Kevin Blumberg continued with the presentation of the proposal. Kevin presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

  • Overview of text changes
  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Potential impacts of this change

Paul Andersen, Vice-chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Noted that there are fee implications related to designation as an ISP or End-user
  • Is it better to define the types of organizations that fall in each category, or make the distinction based on behavior with regard to Internet number resource usage?
  • Clearer definitions in the NRPM would be helpful

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Transcript

John Curran thanked everyone for their participation and encouraged them to plan on attending ARIN 32 in October before closing the session.

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