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ARIN XXX Public Policy Meeting Day 2 Notes - 25 October 2012

Table of Contents

Opening and Announcements

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Transcript

John Curran opened the second day of the ARIN Public Policy Meeting by presenting the updated agenda and thanking network connectivity sponsor terremark, a Verizon company. He encouraged all attendees to share their thoughts on a variety of topics at special AC Topic Tables during the lunch break.

John reviewed the rules of discussion to be followed throughout the meeting, and gave a brief overview of agenda.

At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 128 people were in attendance.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were approximately 35 individuals viewing the meeting webcast throughout the proceedings, and 7 active remote participants.]

ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process Report

Speaker: Nate Davis, ARIN COO
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Nate Davis gave an update regarding the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process Report. Highlights included:

  • 2012.11: DNSSEC Improvements
  • 2012.17: Changes to Documentation Requirements for ASN Requests
  • 2012.18: Improve Request Submission Options
  • 2012.19: Make Company Name Optional for Billing form

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Update regarding a new suggestion, 2012.20
  • Encouragement for the attendees to monitor and participate in consultations

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

IANA Activities Report

Speaker: Leo Vegoda, Operational Excellence Officer, IANA
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Leo Vegoda provided an update on IANA activities.

Highlights included:

  • Escalation procedure for customer complaints
  • Public comment process
  • Ombudsman role overview

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Question regarding complaint tracking and documentation

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

IPv6 IAB / IETF Activities Report

Speaker: Cathy Aronson, ARIN Advisory Council
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Cathy Aronson provided a presentation about activities within the IETF related to IPv6. Cathy noted that this presentation is not an official IETF report, as there is no official IETF Liaison to ARIN or any RIR.

Highlights included:

  • The World IPv6 Launch
  • IETF website attack pre-IETF
  • New IPv4 working group
  • IPv6 Maintenance (6man)
  • Controlled Delay (CoDel) presentation by Van Jacobson
  • Internet Disruptions in North Africa
  • V6 Operations
  • MAC address management
  • DNS Operations (DNSOP)
  • Home Networking Group (HOMENET)

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Question regardining 32-bit identifiers in BGP

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

ARIN-2012-5: Removal of Renumbering Requirement for Small Multihomers

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Cathy Aronson, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF PPTX
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Cathy Aronson and Bill Darte
  • Introduced on PPML on 25 July 2012 (ARIN-prop-167) and designated as a draft policy 25 July 2012. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
  • There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR.
  • Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Cathy Aronson continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale

Highlights:

  • Removes the entire subsection 4.3.6.2 "Additional Assignments for Small Multihomers"
  • Pros and Cons of the draft policy

Tim Denton, Chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Question regarding /24 assignments if a larger block is requested but unavailable

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Tim Denton asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Tim stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

ARIN-2012-2: IPV6 SUBSEQUENT ALLOCATIONS UTILIZATION REQUIREMENT

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Heather Schiller, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF PPTX
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Heather Schiller and Cathy Aronson
  • Introduced on PPML in November 2011 (ARIN-prop-159) and designated as a draft policy 24 August 2011. This draft policy was discussed in a prior ARIN meeting, and it was determined that more work was needed.
  • There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
  • Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Heather Schiller continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale

Highlights:

  • Overview of the policy proposal text
  • Problem statement
  • Benefits of the policy proposal

Tim Denton, Chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Clarification regarding the definition of sufficient actual utilization
  • Question regarding additions to 2.14 regarding topological addressing
  • Clarification regarding the draft policy's impact on subsequent requests in the context of reassignment topology

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Tim Denton asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy. A second question was posed to the attendees regarding whether or not they are in favor of the Advisory Council continuing work on the proposal. After the tally was conducted, Tim stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

DNS over IPv6

Introduction: Geoff Huston, Chief Scientist
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Geoff provided a presentation regarding DNS resolver capability over IPv6.

Highlights included:

  • Questions regarding DNS resolvers
  • Results of a September 2012 experiment performed using subdomains containing only NS records
  • IPv6 UDP TRMU issues

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Question regarding broken IPv6 MTU routers
  • Clarification regarding top and bottom countries in the context of IPv6 DNS resolver capability

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

ICANN/GNSO/ISPCP Report

Introduction: Izumi Okutani, Policy Liaison , JPNIC
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Izumi provided a presentation inviting attendees to participate in the ICANN GNSO ISPCP community.

Highlights included:

  • Overview of ICANN and the ISPCP role therein
  • Overview of the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) and its multi-stakeholder approach
  • Overview of the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP) and its membership criteria.

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

AFRINIC Update

Speaker: Ernest Byaruhanga, Registration Services Manager, AFRINIC
Introduction: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Ernest provided an update from the AFRINIC region and activities.

Highlights included:

  • New organizational structure
  • AFRINIC at a glance
    • Current staff
    • IPv4 inventory and 2012 issuing
    • New members
    • IPv6 training events
    • Policy proposals under discussion
    • Extended stats availability over FTP
    • AFRINIC 17 to be held in Sudan

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Question regarding Internet Exchange Point growth in Africa

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

APNIC Update

Speaker: German Valdez, External Relations Program Director, APNIC
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

German provided an update from the APNIC region.

Highlights included:

  • Statistics update
  • Membership growth
  • IPv4 transfers
  • Training update
  • Draft policies under discussion
  • APNIC participation in the World Conference on International Communications (WCIT)
  • APNIC member survey results

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Canadian Radio-television Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) Guest Speaker

Speaker: Stephen Meyer, Manager, Network Evolution Policy, CRTC
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Stephen provided a presentation about IPv4 Allocation Implications in Canada.

Highlights included:

  • Overview of the CRTC
  • The Canadian Access Market and its charactaristics
  • The CRTC regulatory climate
  • CRTC involvement and interest in policies such as draft policy ARIN 2012-7: Reassignments for Third Party Internet Access (TPIA) over Cable

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Request for clarification of CRTC's policy development process

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

ARIN-2012-7: Reassignments for Third Party Internet Access (TPIA) Over Cable

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Kevin Blumberg, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF PPTX
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Kevin Blumberg and Cathy Aronson
  • Introduced on PPML in July 2012 (ARIN-prop-179) and designated as a draft policy 12 October 2012.
  • This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting
  • There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR.
  • Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Kevin continued with the presentation of the proposal. Kevin presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

  • Overview of the policy proposal text
  • Problem statement
  • Benefits of the policy proposal

Scott Bradner moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Encouragement to support the proposal as it makes appropriate reassignment of space by Canadian cable providers
  • Clarification regarding the extent of the allocations that would occur under this draft policy
  • Clarification that ARIN's meeting provides a crucial forum in which to solve the issue that the draft policy addresses.
  • Clarification regarding the ambiguity of the first section of the draft policy regarding utilization requirements

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Tim Denton asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Tim stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF PPTX
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Scott Leibrand and Robert Seastrom
  • Introduced on PPMLin August 2012 (ARIN-prop-119) and designated as a draft policy 3 February 2011. Current version 22 September 2011. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
  • APNIC has discussed a similar policy.
  • Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale

Highlights:

  • Rationale for the proposal
  • Overview of the proposal's impact on LIRs
  • Scope of the proposal

Tim Denton, Chairman, moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Concern regarding electronic crime tracking and potential delays that may be caused by the need for more subpoenas caused by the private listings
  • Concern regarding the security of a private iteration of WHOIS
  • Encouragement for the Advisory Council to narrow the scope of who will be affected by the proposal
  • Concern about this proposal becoming a blocker for security personnel who rely upon WHOIS data to seek out other parties on the Internet

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Tim Denton asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against having the AC continue to work on the proposall. After the tally was conducted, Tim stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

LACNIC Update

Speaker: Juan Alejo Peirano, Internet Number Resources Analyst
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Juan presented an update from the LACNIC region.

Highlights included:

  • Membership update
  • IPv4 inventory update
  • Regional Fund for Digital Innovation in Latin America and the Caribbean
  • Proposals that reached consensus
  • LACNIC XVIII on 29 October - 2 November 2012

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

RIPE NCC Update

Speaker: Axel Pawlik, Managing Director, RIPE NCC
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran provided a presentation about proposed revisions to the Policy Development Process.

Highlights included:

  • Membership update
  • IPv4 runout update
  • RPKI
  • IP Analyzer and RIPE Stat
  • RIPE Atlas
  • CPE Survey
  • New Meeting: Arab IGF (aIGF)
  • Outreach to Legacy space holder
  • New MoU with APNIC
  • RIPE 66 to be held in Dublin

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Request for clarification regarding the M Lab measurement system and atlas probes

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Advisory Council's "Improve Communications" Committee Report

Speaker: Kevin Blumberg, ARIN Advisory Council
Transcript

Kevin provided a brief note regarding the AC effort to improve policy-related communications

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of Kevin's comments.

Proposed Fee Schedule

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John provided a presentation regarding the proposed 2013 ARIN fee schedule update.

Policies reviewed included:

  • Goals of the new fee structure
    • Equitable fees based on costs
    • Avoid creating disincentives for adoption of industry-wide initiatives
    • Target a smaller ARIN based on long-term post-IPv4 runnout expenses
    • Maintain and reduce where possible costs for smaller Internet organizations
    • Promote open membership structure for those with bona fide interest
  • Recent revenue history
  • Proposed fee structure
  • Registration Services subscription:current and proposed categories
  • Fee category migration
  • Overview of fee changes
  • 2013 revenue distribution under proposed fees

Comments and questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation included:

  • Clarification regarding maintenance fees
  • Clarification regarding LRSA space holders having capped annual fee increases
  • Clarification regarding the overall movement of the new fee schedule being a more reasonable focus than the corner cases of said schedule

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

PDP Update

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran gave a presentation about a proposed 2013 Policy Development Process

Highlights included:

  • Issues with the current Policy Development Process
  • Revised Policy Development Process overview
  • Key goals of the new Policy Development Process

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Question regarding the staff comments step of the proposed PDP

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

RPKI Demo

Speaker: Tim Christensen, ARIN Quality Assurance Manager
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Tim provided a walkthroughof ARIN's Hosted Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI)

Highlights included:

  • Overview of RPKI and its uses
  • Origin of RPKI
  • The future of RPKI in the ARIN region
  • How to participate in the RPKI process as an Internet number resource holder
  • How to participate in RPKI as a relying party
  • Progress update on Delegated RPKI

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

  • Clarification regarding load being placed upon validation routers
  • Question regarding interoperability testing
  • Clarification regarding the RTR protocol
  • Clarification regarding the CP and CPS and their use by the community
  • Question regarding certificate creation for subdelegations
  • Question regarding the single trust anchor model

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Open Policy Hour

Moderator: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Transcript

John Curran moderated the Open Policy Hour discussion.

Highlights included:

  • Presentation on Critical Infrastructure and the New gTLDs given by Matt Pounsett
  • Proposed change to policy, accepting ICANN gTLD applications as justification for a Critical Infrastructure micro allocation
  • Proposal to allow Critical Infrastructure to include entities such as anycast DNS service bureaus

Policy Implementation Report

Speaker: David Huberman, ARIN Principal Technical Analyst
Presentation: PDF PPTX

Transcript

David presented a report on recently implemented policies.

Highlights included:

  • Recently implemented policies
    • ARIN-2011-1: ARIN Inter-RIR Transfers
    • ARIN-2012-1: ClarifyingRequirements for IPv4 Transfers
    • ARIN-2012-3: ASN Transfers
  • NRPM 8.3 and 8.4 transfers
  • IPv6 ISP block sizes
  • IPv6 end user block sizes

David continued by providing a review of existing policies and their effectiveness.

Highlights included:

  • Reviewed policies
    • Efficient utilization (NRPM 4.2)
      • Community question: Is the use of IP addresses in bulk to avoid email filtering considered to be efficient use?
      • Problem statement
      • Current staff practice
    • Initial vs. additional allocation policies (NRPM 4.2.2, 4.2.4)
      • Community question: Should a legacy space holder who comes to ARIN to request space for the first time be reviewed under the Initial policies or Additional Request policies ?
      • Problem statement
      • Current staff practice
      • Issues

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Open Microphone

Moderator: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Transcript

John Curran then moderated an open microphone session. Highlights included:

  • Proposal to reserve a /16 for Internet Exchange Points separate from other Critical Infrastructure space
  • Clarification regarding definition of Critical Infrastructure
  • Clarification regarding utilization requirements under current policy
  • Question about having Admin and Tech POCs listed as private in WHOIS

Closing Announcements And Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Transcript

John Curran encouraged participants to go online and complete the meeting survey, and reminded them that the Members Meeting would begin at 9:00 AM Friday.  He adjourned the meeting for the day at 6:08 PM CDT.