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ARIN XXIV Public Policy Meeting Day 1 Notes - 21 October 2009

Meeting Called to Order

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the meeting and welcomed those in attendance.

John began the first day of the ARIN XXIV Public Policy Meeting by making meeting-related announcements and introducing those present from the ARIN Board of Trustees, the ARIN Advisory Council, and the Number Resource Organization (NRO) Number Council. He also acknowledged those colleagues from the other Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) in attendance and introduced ARIN's directors and Meeting Fellowship winners. John noted that other features of the meeting included the Registration, Elections, and Financial Services Help Desks, the ARIN Information Center, and a First Timer Lunch. He continued with the following announcements:

  • 179 total registered ARIN attendees, including 107 joint ARIN/NANOG attendees. There are also 26 registered remote participants.
  • Discussed the First-Timer Luncheon and held the First-Timer Luncheon Raffle, which was won by Matthew Petach.
  • Daily surveys are available online at the ARIN website, and we encourage all attendees and remote participants to enter, winners for the previous day will be selected at the opening of the meeting each morning.  The winner for the Tuesday survey was Wesley George.
  • Invited participants to engage with ARIN using social media by joining us at TeamARIN on Facebook and YouTube, or by following TeamARIN on Twitter or using the #ARIN24 hashtag to talk about the meeting.
  • Thank you to ARIN XXIV network connectivity sponsors Arbor Networks and Merit Network Inc., UnitedLayer for providing transportation to and from the Thursday night social, and to our media partners; PowerSource and TelecomFinders.

John reviewed the meeting agenda and the printed materials given to each attendee.

At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 160 people were in attendance.

John Curran moderated discussions throughout the day.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were approximately 49 individuals viewing the meeting webcast throughout the proceedings, and 36 registered remote participants.]

2009-1: Transfer Policy (Conclusion of the Emergency PDP)

Speaker: John Curran, Acting ARIN President and CEO

Introduction: PDF PPTX

Transcript

John Curran gave a brief presentation, as required by the Policy Development Process (PDP), on Transfer Policy 2009-1. 2009-1 was created after the adoption of Transfer Policy 2008-6 using the Emergency Policy Process defined in  the PDP. Following that process, 2009-1 was presented to the community at ARIN XXIII in San Antonio.  The AC revised 2009-1 in response to community input received on the PPML and at the meeting, and recommended a revised text for adoption.  2009-1 was adopted 28 May 2009 and implemented 1 June.  The main differences between 2008-6 and 2009-1 included: the requirement that the transfer recipient be in ARIN region, and the removal of the three-year policy sunset clause.

John then opened the floor for questions.

Discussion Highlights:

  • There have been two completed transfers following this policy and there is one pending.
  • ARIN plans to upgrade the transfer statistics chart to show which transfer policy was used for the various types of transfers.

NRO NC Election Procedures

Speaker: Judson Lewis, ARIN Membership Coordinator

Presentation: PDF PPTX

Transcript

Jud Lewis described the voting procedures and timeline for the NRO Number Council elections. Election results will be announced tomorrow during the meeting and to the arin-announce@arin.net mailing list and the ARIN website.
Highlights:

  • Elections are being held to fill 1 open seat on the NRO Number Council
  • Biographies of each candidate as well as statements of support are available on the ARIN website.
  • Voters must be the designated member representative (DMR) for an ARIN General Member in good standing, have been a registered attendee of NANOG 47 or be in a registered attendee of ARIN XXIV. The deadline to establish voter eligibility was 7 October 2009.
  • Jud briefly explained the online voting procedures, and invited anyone with questions to visit the Election Help Desk or e-mail info@arin.net for assistance.

Jud turned the microphone back over to John Curran, who moderated the candidate speeches.

NRO NC Candidate Speeches

Transcript

All candidates were invited to state their qualifications in a short speech to the audience. Candidates who were present and spoke were:

  • Louis Lee

The following candidate was not present to speak. His statement of motivation to serve on the AC and abbreviated biography were presented to attendees.

  • Babak Pasdar

Regional PDP Report

Speaker: Einar Bohlin, Policy Analyst

Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Einar Bohlin discussed policy development in the 5 RIR regions, and offered comparisons to show the global interest in specific resource issues. Einar pointed out the value of the Comparative Policy Overview document available on the NRO website which is updated about four times annually.

Highlights included:

  • Proposals for all five RIRs were broken out by resource category: IPv4, IPv6, ASN, and other, as well as a breakdown of the proposals up for discussion at ARIN XXIV by resource category
  • Proposals were charted for comparison of status in the other regions

Internet Number Resource Status Report

Speaker: Leslie Nobile, ARIN Director of Registration Services

Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Leslie Nobile presented an NRO report on the current status of all IPv4 address, IPv6 address, and Autonomous System number resources as of 30 September 2009. This report is updated quarterly by all the RIRs and provides up-to-date statistics on rates of IPv4, IPv6, and AS number resource consumption.

Highlights included:

  • Status of the 256/8s and IPv4 allocation rates by region from 1999 to 2008, and through the 3rd quarter of 2009
  • ASN assignment rates by region from 1999 to 2008, and through the 3rd quarter of 2009 .
  • IPv6 allocations to the RIRs,, and RIR IPv6 allocations by region from 1999 to 2008, and through the 3rd quarter of 2009
  • Links to all the historical data and raw statistics

At the conclusion of the presentation, John Curran opened the microphones for questions.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • The need to include IPv4 exhaustion data in this report, and what the best source for this information would be.  The question was returned to the community for thoughts on whose statistics ARIN should rely on for IPv4 exhaustion projections, including the possibility of ARIN creating their own projections.

For discussion details please see the transcript.

IANA Activities Report

Speaker: Mark McFadden

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Mark McFadden began by offering an overview of his presentation, which featured a status update on the address pools, an overview of the mechanisms for selecting blocks for allocation to RIRs, IDN ccTLDs, and a new IANA initiatives.
Highlights included:

  • IANA pools' status
  • How /8s are selected for allocating to the RIRs
  • New reverse DNS self-management
  • IDN ccTLDs
  • IANA Business Excellence Program

At the conclusion of the presentation, John Curran opened the microphones for questions.
Discussion Highlights included:

  • Which /8s are being held for the final IPv4 allocations
  • Whether IANA has a responsibility to clean up "dirty" blocks before they are allocated to the RIRs

For discussion details, please see transcript

Draft Policy 2009-6: (Global) Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks (ASNs) to Regional Internet Registries

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Andrew de la Haye, RIPE NCC

Introduction: PDF PPTX
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Marla Azinger and Stacy Hughes
  • Introduced on PPML on 29 May 2009 (PP 89) and designated as a draft policy 31 August 2009. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting
  • This policy is in last call in the RIPE NCC and APNIC regions. It is in discussion in the LACNIC region and informal discussion in the AFRINIC region.
  • Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Andrew de la Haye from RIPE NCC, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Andrew presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale
Highlights included:

  • Concerns about RIRs qualifying for 16-bit ASN blocks due to low usage rates for 32-bit ASNs
  • The continued availability of 16-bit ASNs may reduces the need to expedite the transition to 32-bit ASNs
  • Ongoing problems with vendor support for 32-bit ASNs and generally limited uptake to date

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran took a straw poll to determine the sense of the room, and requested that remote participants submit their votes. After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

ARIN Board and Advisory Council Election Procedures

Speaker: Judson Lewis, ARIN Membership Coordinator

Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Jud Lewis described the voting procedures and timeline for the Board of Trustees and Advisory Council elections. Election results will be announced no later than 5 November 2009 to the arin-announce@arin.net mailing list and the ARIN website.
Highlights:

  • Elections are being held to fill 3 open seats on the Board of Trustees and 5 open seats on the Advisory Council.
  • Biographies of each candidate as well as statements of support are available on the ARIN website.
  • Voters must be the designated member representative (DMR) for an ARIN General Member in good standing. The deadline to establish voter eligibility was 7 October 2009.
  • Jud briefly explained the online voting procedures, and invited anyone with questions to visit the Election Help Desk or e-mail info@arin.net for assistance.

Jud turned the microphone back over to John Curran, who moderated the candidate speeches.

Advisory Council Candidate Speeches

Transcript

All candidates were invited to state their qualifications in a short speech to the audience. Candidates who were present and spoke were:

  • Mark Bayliss
  • Steve Feldman
  • Wes George
  • Chris Grundemann
  • Stacy Hughes
  • Ed Kern
  • Chris Morrow
  • Christopher Savage
  • Heather Schiller
  • Rob Seastrom
  • Tom Zeller

The following candidate was not present to speak. His provided a short video presentation that was presented to attendees.

  • Rudolf Daniel

The following candidates were not present to speak. Their statements of motivation to serve on the AC and abbreviated biographies were presented to attendees.

  • John Brown
  • Kevin Hunt
  • Mark Johnson
  • Bill Sandiford
  • Scott Weeks

Board of Trustees Candidate Speeches

Transcript

All candidates were invited to state their qualifications in a short speech to the audience. Candidates who were present and spoke were:

  • Paul Andersen
  • Scott Bradner
  • Lee Howard
  • Aaron Hughes

The following candidate was not present to speak. He provided a short video presentation that was presented to attendees.

  • Frederick Silny

Open Microphone

Moderator: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the microphones for an impromptu discussion. The conversations focused on the need to develop a quicker process for cleaning up blocks of returned addresses so that they can be ready for reissue in less one year.

Retiring E-mail POC Templates

Speaker: Andy Newton, ARIN Chief Engineer

Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Andy Newton presented a report on proposed plans to retire e-mail templates as duplicate features are released to ARIN Online.

Highlights included:

  • The status of the on-going community consultation about retiring e-mail templates
  • Which templates this would effect, and why this doesn't mean retiring the SWIP template
  • The problems with e-mail templates, and benefits of transitioning to a web interface
  • What is currently available and in development for ARIN Online, and maintenance and development impacts of supporting to the new and legacy systems over the long term
  • Request for community input on how to move forward

At the end of the presentation, John Curran opened the microphones for comments and questions.

Discussion Highlights included:

  • Security of the current e-mail templates and the lack of adoption of current e-mail security measures.
  • Concerns about the reliability of the web interface
  • Opinions on how to evaluate the tipping point for beginning to phase out e-mail templates
  • How to best make the community aware of new features
  • Questions about current and planned features

For discussion details, please see the transcript

Lame Testing

Speaker: Mark Kosters, ARIN Chief Technology Officer

Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

Mark provided a presentation about the current process for identifying LAME delegations, and offered possible alternative methods for LAME testing.

Highlights included:

  • Explanation of current process for identifying and removing LAME delegations
  • How LAME is currently defined and criteria for stripping a delegation that is found to be LAME, and the problems with this process
  • A new definition for LAME, and the three tests used to confirm LAME status

At the conclusion of the presentation, questions were taken from the floor.  Highlights included:

  • Comments of the value of the proposed new LAME definition and test
  • Problems with stripping LAME delegations, what is ARIN's responsibility in this issue
  • How will LAME testing work with DNSSEC

For discussion details, please see the transcript

Draft Policy 2009-7: Open Access to IPv6

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO
Speaker: Cathy Aronson, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF PPTX
Presentation: PDF PPTX
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

  • Advisory Council shepherds: Cathy Aronson and Owen DeLong
  • Introduced on PPML on 29 May 2009 (PP 90) and designated as a draft policy 31 August 2009. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
  • Similar policies are in discussion in the RIPE NCC, LACNIC, and APNIC regions.
  • Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Cathy Aronson, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Cathy presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.
Discussion Highlights included:

  • Clarification on legal objections that the new criteria were too open and created a potential for exploitation.
  • Multiple suggestions for alternate policy changes to increase access to IPv6
  • Concerns that an overly liberal policy could have negative repercussions that would be hard to address within the limits of the policy development lifecycle

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran took multiple straw polls to determine the sense of the room, and requested that remote participants submit their votes on several questions related to this draft policy. After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Open Microphone

Moderator: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the microphone for comments from the floor.  Topics of discussion included:

  • What can ARIN do to make the transfer process easier to understand
  • Is there a need to develop or select a single authoritative routing registry – in response, attendees were invited to join the ARIN RPKI pilot to learn about new resource certification process
  • Suggestion for community development of a best common practices document for IPv6 routing
  • A clarification that legacy IPv4 resources do not need to be brought under an RSA for an organization to receive IPv6 resources
  • Recognition of Lea Roberts and Leo Bicknell's years of service to the ARIN Advisory Council as they conclude their respective terms

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, Acting ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran concluded by extending thanks to the network connectivity sponsors Arbor Networks and Merit Network Inc. He encouraged all attendees to complete the daily survey for a chance to win in a prize drawing to be held at the opening of the meeting tomorrow. He reminded the audience that we would make every effort to maintain the schedule for policy presentation, but that we would send announcements about other agenda changes via mailing lists and through our social networks, and that Day 2 of the ARIN Public Policy Meeting would begin at 9:00 AM.