ARIN XVIII Members Meeting Draft Transcript - Friday, 13 October 2006
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Meeting Called to Order
MR. PLZAK: Good morning. First of all, let's thank our sponsors.
MR. PLZAK: And we have to do the drawing for the raffle for the storage link and we need to select a winner so I need a volunteer to come up here and help me. Do I have a volunteer? Is someone awake enough. Ah, Marty. The first one picked is totally inappropriate. It says John Postel. The second one that Marty picked -- and hopefully Marty doesn't have to come back up here to pick another one -- is Sandy Murphy. Is Sandy here? (No response)
MR. PLZAK: Whoa. I guess when 2006-3 was taken care of -- David Divins. Okay. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: David said he'd like to thank the academy but I think that's -- the people that are in the movie, remember Oscars are coming up next March so remember when you get your awards to thank the little guys. So anyway, congratulations, David, and he is present to win. So anyway, the Cyber Cafe is open this morning, the help desk and the Cafe, until noon, and registration services help desk is open from eight 'till noon or by appointment and you've kept them quite busy so thank you very much. If you have a wireless card please turn it in. Network will shut down after the meeting this morning or noon, whichever occurs later. Meeting surveys: Please remember to complete the v6 workshop survey if you attended a v6 workshop and also the ARIN XVIII meeting survey. In doing so will earn you a raffle entry, one entry for person. One lucky winner of an eight gig USB microdrive and one lucky winner of a firewall router graciously provided by Shaw Communications. So let's please remember the rule book. You did pretty well yesterday. And I lost my slide. So anyway, having said that, I guess it's now it's on with the show.
ARIN Board and Advisory Council Election Procedure
MR. PLZAK: And the first thing we have to do is to conduct -- begin the process for -- of electing ARIN Board and Advisory Council Members. The nominations process occurred early this year. And so to begin the explanation I would ask Erika to come up here and do so.
MS. GOEDRICH: Thank you, Ray. Good morning everybody. Happy Friday the 13th. The 2006 Board of Trustees and Advisory Council election, the time line, of course today, the 13th of October, we will have candidate speeches coming up in a few minutes. Voting opens at noon today, closes one week from today at noon, this is Eastern time. In the handouts that you received there was a typo. It says the 4th through the 11th. Disregard that. It is the 13th through the 20th. So if you want to make that little note on your handouts. And then the winners will be announced on the 27th of October. Election headquarters: Most of you should be familiar with this by now, but we have the voting booth there, candidate biographies and statements of support. You can still submit statements of support or you can view what other people have written. The voting ballot for the Board of Trustees: We have five candidates this year and two open seats so you're going to vote for two people. The Advisory Council election has ten candidates with five open seats. Candidates are listed in alphabetical order by last name and their terms are for three years beginning on the 1st of January 2007. Voting procedures: Only designated member representatives from ARIN general members in good standing may vote. The deadline to establish voter eligibility was the 29th of September. That means that your organization had to be a general member in good standing at that time and the e-mail account on file with member services needed to include the DMR's name or initials and the organization domain name. We will be sending out, just in a couple of hours, about an hour and a half or so, the URL and the instructions to the DMR's as well as a reminder to ARIN-announce. Voting procedures: Three easy steps. You're going to register with your first and last name, DMR e-mail and you're going to create your own user name and password. Now hopefully most of you have voted in the NRO NC election. You are going to log in using the user name and password that you created sometime within the last week. You vote, you confirm your vote. And as a reminder, the deadline to vote is noon next Friday the 20th of October. And with that I'm going to turn it back to Ray so that you can hear from the candidates themselves. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Before Erika goes back down does anyone have any questions of her? (No response)
Advisory Council Election - Candidate Speeches
MR. PLZAK: Okay. So these are the candidates for the Advisory Council and if your name appears in orange it means they're here or registered to be here and I think I've seen most of them over the last several days. The only person that's not here is Michael Lambert. And so what we will do is start off with Leo. I am not going to read any of this material because Leo, if you're here, you have a chance to say a few minutes' words.
MR. BICKNELL: Three years ago some friends of mine nudged me to run for the ARIN Advisory Council and at that point I sure didn't know what to expect and it's been a very interesting three years and I must say I have been nothing but impressed by what the Advisory Council's able to do with the community. It really is a unique opportunity to bring the community together and create consensus. There's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes that people don't see to make sure that the policies, when they arrive, are something that hopefully most people can agree with. Obviously we don't always get that. But it really is a great opportunity to bring together the community not only here but also with the other RIR's due to the activities that ARIN undertakes with them and I would be honored to serve for another three years. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Owen DeLong. Owen.
MR. DELONG: As many of you know, I've been attending ARIN meetings on a fairly regular basis for several years now. I'm very active on the public policy mailing list and if you give me this opportunity to serve on the Advisory Council I think I can help us develop policies going forward, especially in the v6 arena, that will support the broadest base of internet users while still allowing the system to function. I think we have a lot of challenges facing us in the next three years in that area and as you know I've been instrumental in policies to help provide more provider independent address space for a wider range of internet users. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Next, Aaron Dudek.
MR. DUDEK: Hello, I'm Aaron Dudek. This is actually my second time trying to get a seat on the AC. I'm looking to become a much more active member of the ARIN process and policies. I'm -- sorry -- I'm very strict in our policies at -- at Sprint for making sure that we follow the guidelines and I would like to see and hope help educate the community to continue upon those policies and for conservation of address space and I'd like to see IPv6 become much more active and I'd like to see the deployment actually get rolling along a lot faster. So hopefully as an AC member I'll be able to do that and represent the community fairly. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Andrew Dul.
MR. DUL: Good morning. Thank you for allowing me to be here this morning to talk a little bit about how important the next three years are going to be. It's going to be a really critical time for ARIN and the rest of the RIR's as the IPv4 pool is depleted and hopefully IPv6 starts to get some traction for development. We've done a lot of work in IPv6 on the Advisory Council and in other forums here in the past couple of years. I was pleased to serve on the AC for three years ending at the end of 2005 and I'd be happy to serve again the community. Multi-homing and traffic engineering, as well as how we figure out how those two things fit into the IPv6 in the ending IPv4 world, are going to be critical in the next couple of years and I've been trying my best to work on those issues with other people and try to figure out a way forward. It's not an easy process but it's something we have to do for the stability and the ongoing continuation of our -- our world and our businesses. I support the open policy process and want to ensure that all members of the community are being represented. I think that's critical to our success as an organization. We've had a very good -- I think as best as could be almost expected with the WSIS and WGIG in the past couple of years but we need to carry that momentum forward to make sure that we continue to be heard from government and we listen to governments as well. That's critical to us. Thank you very much and I appreciate your vote. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Mark Kosters.
MR. KOSTERS: So as many of you know, I bring a unique perspective to the ARIN AC and that is, for you who don't know, I was involved with the internet in the early '90s and until recently I think my CUD was still in use that era and I think I'm happy to say it's all gone. So all right. Yeah. So I think that it's been an honor to serve on the AC for the past couple of terms I've been on and it's been a privilege for me to help the internet become a better place and I see ARIN as being one of those places that can actually help the internet be a -- by being a benefactor to -- to the internet society in large. ARIN has some large challenges ahead of it and I would be honored if you would consider me to help you promote better policies for us in the future as we surmount these challenges. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Okay. Michael is not here so I will read for you. By the way, Michael's inability to be here should not be construed as a lack of interest in this. Michael says that from a motivational standpoint: Historically there has been a strong presence from the research and educational community in all aspects of the internet. I want to ensure that this tradition continues at the policy level. Some brief biographical notes: GigaPoP coordinator for Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center/Three Rivers Optical Exchange at Carnegie Mellon University. We did network design and operation, focusing on wide area of routing. And as co-chair of the Internet2 IPv6 working group. So Michael. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Lea Roberts.
MS. ROBERTS: Good morning. As Leo said, being on the AC can be exciting, it can also be a lot of work, but I know well how it is. I've been there for a while and I'd like to continue. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Lea, you win the John Curran award for brevity. Robert Seastrom.
MR. SEASTROM: Good morning everybody. My name's Rob Seastrom, some of you know me as RS. I'm a candidate for re-election for the ARIN Advisory Council. I've been involved in the industry for over fifteen years having setup early commercial ISPs in both Japan and the Republic of Georgia. I've worked for large ISPs, small ISPs and a big CDM during startup and operational phases. Of late I've been involved with both the ARIN AC and the NANOG mailing list committee. For the past three years I've been seeking the sweet spot in stewardship working to enact policies that facilitate business and commerce while guarding against waste. So I would be honored if you would vote for me as a candidate for re-election of the ARIN AC. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Heather Skanks.
MS. SKANKS: I'm a little short. For those of you who don't know me, I work for UUnet, MCI, Verizon Business and I'm responsible for managing all of the address space that they've acquired over the years. As such I have the opportunity to see everyday the many ways that various organizations use addresses and how the ARIN policy affects them. I truly believe in the open policy process. It serves the community well and I would like the opportunity to participate in guiding the policy process. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Stacy Taylor.
MS. TAYLOR: Good morning everyone. I think it's a testament to my commitment to the AC that I'm up here for the third time in four years because I know you guys know how much I hate this. I think the -- (Applause)
MS. TAYLOR: I think the work that we do is important and I ask for the opportunity to continue to do it. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: So let's give a round of applause for all of the candidates for the AC. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Now we move on to the candidates for the Board of Trustees. There are five candidates, two of them that are here, their names are listed in orange, there are three that are not here. Again, the inability of people to be here to make presentations does not and should not be construed as being a lack of attention or intention to serve in the capacity of the officer seeking. So Scott.
MR. BRADNER: Good morning. There's no way I can put the level of passion into this talk that Stacy just did. But in spite of that, I've been around as one of the gang that Kim appointed, asked to -- to work on the original ARIN Board and have been hanging in there since. I've enjoyed it. I think I do a reasonable job and I'd like to keep trying to do a reasonable job. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: John.
MR. CURRAN: Good morning. I'd first like to say that those public TV commercials about my wild deaggregation as a youth and use of indiscriminate netmasks are all incorrect. Further, I'd like to acknowledge that I did indeed vote for IPv6 even though I knew it'd be sending large blocks of our IP addresses overseas for prolonged periods. All joking aside and with a tribute to U.S. politics, I'd like to say that serving on the ARIN Board of Trustees has been an honor. I'm a founder and I have been chairman since its inception. It has a very important duty which is to handle the stewardship and responsible oversight of the activities of the organization. I can't highlight the need for quality Board members. I also want to highlight the need for your participation in this process. I do enjoy serving. I think I've done an incredible job in serving in this role. But one way or another, I ask that all of you get involved. Look at the people that you want running the organization. The organization from time to time has challenges and so to that end it's the Board of Trustees that bears the responsibility for seeing us through those. I ask that you support myself but also support the process and vote for Board of Trustees candidate. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Thank you, John. Jeremy Kinsey, I will read from his motivation statement. I would like to offer up my practical experience in running and managing an internet company. I believe my professional experience over the years in this industry as well as my unending need to challenge myself with new and exciting goals will prove to be an asset to ARIN and the members I hope to serve. Some brief biographical notes: CEO and co-founder of Bella Mia, Incorporated; Partner, Bella Mia Properties LLC; regular speaker at numerous industry events, including the Annual Midwestern Telecommunications Conference, WCA, Part-15 Mini Boot Camps, and WISPCON; regional coordinator, PART-15.ORG Emergency Communications Foundation. Jeremy. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Chris Russell. Motivation statement: I'm interested in being actively involved and to provide community services to organizations that support and notably impact my current areas of involvement. Biographical notes: President, Nova Internet Services, Incorporated; President, Amazon Alarm Systems, Incorporated; President, Aberration Matrix Corporation; President, North Texas Alarm Association; Director, Texas Burglar and Fire Alarm Association. Chris. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Derek Wise. Motivation statement: As the owner of a rapidly growing ISP/MSP, I hope to provide input from the perspective of smaller organizations seeking IP allocations and also gain a better understanding of the mechanics behind ARIN policies and procedures. Biographical notes: CEO, CTO, and Chairman, Global Netoptex, Incorporated; Director, Online Game Services, Incorporated; Chair, Silicon Valley Workforce Investment Network; Board member, High Performance Computer Advisory Council; Board member, Silicon Valley Leadership Group; Information Systems Chief U.S. Marine Corps. Derek. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Voting: As a reminder, one vote per general member in good standing based on your Org ID cast by its designated member representative. You will vote for two Board candidates and five Advisory Council candidates. Polls open Friday, which is today, and as Erika all reminded us all, it's Friday the 13th, at noon Eastern time, which is 11:00 a.m. here, and it closes on Friday, the 20th of October, one week from today, at noon Eastern time. So everyone has a week to make up their mind and vote. I would encourage everyone to vote early so you don't forget to vote. And as was pointed out earlier, it is very, very important for you to be involved in this process. And as was pointed out in the movie, this is one of the most important things that you do in ARIN, is to elect this leadership. So if you have any questions at all please direct them to email@example.com and we will get back to you immediately or as soon as we can. With that I say thank you. So now moving on.
MR PLZAK: We have the reports from the department directors, the first one being Member Services Department, Susan Hamlin.
MS. HAMLIN: Good morning everyone. I want to speak for a few minutes about some of the activities we carry forth through Member Services, some new things for you to look forward to, and talk about our upcoming meetings. I hope that most of the MSD staff need no introduction. Everyone is here at the meeting with the exception of Lori Nuth, our web support specialist. So hi to Lori who's watching back home. We've been living with the team ARIN characters for quite a while so we thought this was an appropriate introduction. You'll see Lori there on the left. No advanced planning as to where we stood when taking these photos. So this is the member services team. Okay. Looking at the statistics and membership growth: It continues to show a steady incline and at this point I'd like just to make a clarification. There was some discussion on the public policy mailing list the end of last month about membership, member in good standing, and there are two types of ARIN members. You do not need to be an ARIN member before you apply for resources. The vast majority of ARIN members become members when they receive an allocation of IPv4 or IPv6 address space that they pay a subscription fee for. Out of the 2,635 members, all but 85 are automatic members because they received an allocation. Currently we have 85 paid members. These are organizations, individuals who have an interest in the community. They fill out an application form and they pay an annual fee. They receive all the same benefits of membership as those receiving allocation of resources from ARIN. This is a look at our geographic breakdown, U.S., Canada, and the growth has been pretty much the same throughout the regions on an annual basis. Some of the services we sustain: In addition to the new things that we produce, MSD is responsible for the communication and outreach efforts of ARIN. We maintain the website content, the mailing list announcements, all of these things you see here, annual report, newsletter. Working on some new education products that I'll talk about in a minute. We also help administer the policy development process. The information on the website, the policy archives, tracking, NRPM, all of those things we maintain. And membership: We maintain the database and we're putting together some new information for members that I'll talk about in a minute and Erika has my prop so I'll come get that or maybe you can bring it up to me in a second. We also work in the area of association business, working with the Board to review the bylaws, administering the election process and putting on these meetings. In the area of outreach, we work on new information. Last year we developed a new position that Megan's filling as public affairs officer. We're getting into the area of media relations and developing some materials for media and then general types of collateral, new information. The comic books fall into that category. And then we work with our colleagues in the NRO and the communications area. Collaboration is this year we're the secretariat so I have the role of coordinating those communication activities for the NRO. Some new things that were previewed here at this meeting with the comic book and also the movie/video and I'd like to recognize Jason Byrne for his efforts on the comic book and Erika for her efforts in the movie. (Applause)
MS. HAMLIN: Some more new things: I'd like to recognize Megan who's put together the beginning of fact sheets for the media. These are basic info sheets that explain -- these are some -- what an IP address is, IPv4, IPv6. These she is sending out in press kits. They're also on the website. We have a media section and she'll be adding to this collection. Something to anticipate: This is a project Erika's been working on. We will be sending to every member, hopefully by the end of January, a folder with fact sheets of how they can interact with ARIN, basic information on requesting resources, acronyms. Things that we've -- people have written in to us and said we'd like some more basic information, a guide of how you navigate the ARIN website. We're going to be sending it to new members on a monthly basis but we decided as we've gone through the process of developing this we would send one to every current member. All of this information will available in addition on a CD and will be posted on the website. So we hope that we'll be sending it to the designated member representative. Hopefully it'll be something they keep close by and they can circulate information to others in their organization. Lori, while she's back home, is working on a new flash presentation to explain the policy development process and this is just a preview of some of the animation that you'll be seeing. Some other things to note, as Raul and others mentioned earlier, ARIN, as part of the NRO, will be participating in the interNET Governance Forum the end of this month. ARIN also for the first time will have its own booth and be participating at ISPCON in Santa Clara in early November. And in addition to an ARIN booth, Richard Jimmerson, our director of external relations, will be presenting as part of an IPv6 panel and also we have a demo session which is in the middle of the exhibit hall. We're not sure how that's going to work. But ARIN will be presenting a basic about ARIN-101 session. So we're looking forward to that. We're bringing our new booth materials, the comic books and hope that we will reach a lot of those in the ISP community who may need to come to ARIN at some point and don't know about it. So it's a new outreach effort. We will also be participating along with the NRO, our NRO colleagues, at the ITU Telecom World and we will have a pavilion and this is some of the artwork and graphics we've been putting together for that. And finally, our meetings next year have dates for the April and October meetings. We are currently working on hotel contracts and until those are signed we will wait to announce the location. In addition, in February we're going to be holding an ARIN workshop in the Caribbean. This is an effort to reach out, spread the word and encourage greater participation in future ARIN meetings. So with that I'll close. Anybody have any questions? Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Thank you, Susan.
MR PLZAK: Leslie, registration services.
MS. NOBILE: Thanks Erika. Okay. Good morning. I'll be very brief. I have a quick update from registration services department. This is the slide that caused Erika to just be a little late because I was late. I wasn't sure whether I should put it in or take it out but I really think the staff needs to be recognized and I think you need to know who they are. Cathy Clements is our principle resource analyst and she is ARIN's first employee and thank God that ARIN has her because she's fabulous. David Huberman has been moved into a new position called technical specialist because he is -- he like speaks the geek and we really need someone like that in our department to do a lot of the, you know, liaising with engineers, et cetera. And David actually left ARIN a few years back because, as we all know, the grass is always greener, but he decided to come back to us so we're very happy about that. Jon is our senior resource analyst recently promoted, doing a great job. And then our -- Steven's name looks funky, sorry. Four resource analysts. Sue and Jeff are both here. David is here as well and so is Jon so I hope you've had a chance to speak with them at the help desk. So what's new in RSD? Well, we finally released our new templates. We think they're shorter, clearer and more concise. We've gotten very positive feedback. If you have to use templates they might as well be as easy as possible. So we're pretty happy with those and we think that most of the community have been. We received recently four new /8s from the IANA. This is the most IPv4 space that we have ever received at one time from the IANA and I did make the announcement the other day that we have those for filter adjustment purposes. Excuse me. We also received a new /12 from the IANA of IPv6 address space and that is a result of a new global IANA to RIR IPv6 policy. Policy implementation update: What's going on with new policies or old policies? We've been working on the 4-byte ASN policy implementation and there's still some ongoing coordination work being done between the relevant parties like IANA, IETF, et cetera, and we are working on the Lame Delegation policy once again. We'll be doing a new test run. We've been -- we've been doing some planning right now and we'll report the results at the next ARIN meeting. So I had told Heather I would do this policy update on IPv6 for End-users. It's proven to be quite a popular policy. Within the first six weeks we got twenty requests. We've approved fifteen of them. They've all been /48s. We've actually issued seven. There's still some pending paperwork to be done, billing, et cetera that's holding up some of the others. We have four pending requests and we did reject one because the organization was not located within our region. We actually received requests for much larger than /48s. That's some of the pending requests. We've had people requesting 42s, 41s, 32s, et cetera. And because there's no criteria actually in this policy for initial allocations that are larger than a /48 the staff has been doing a lot of analysis, a lot of going back and forth with organizations trying to find out what their network plans are and why they need these large allocations. So that -- that is why the pending, it's still pending. So I have a few -- or just a couple of statistics and we went back to last September through the end of this August, so for the past year. This is something we haven't done. We went back and kind of looked at demographics to see where are we actually issuing address space and who are our new Org IDs? Where were they being established? As would be typical, most of them are in the U.S. but quite a few in Canada, 183. Nine in Puerto Rico and two in Jamaica, the larger Caribbean islands. One in the Netherlands to the RIPE NCC for their K-root server and one each in all of those smaller Caribbean islands which totals eight, eight new Orgs in those Caribbean islands. As far as what -- how many requests we're receiving and how many we're approving: We -- oh, God, there's a lot of text here. Sorry. I'll walk through this slowly. We got roughly 1,700 v4 requests from ISPs over the past year, 561 v4 requests from End-users, and 79 v6 requests from ISPs. We approved 1,171 ISP IPv4 requests for 69 percent. We approved 55 percent of the End-user requests in v4 and 77 percent of the ISP IPv6 requests. Now approving means someone went through the entire process back and forth, requested their space, did everything they needed to do and ARIN said this is what we're going to issue you. This is all you have to do. You need to sign a contract or you pay your bill or whatever it is. Some people -- just because that's an approval rate right there doesn't mean the rest is a rejection rate. There really is no such thing as a rejection in the ARIN region. We try not to ever say no. We want people to get resources from us for their businesses. Very rarely do we say no flat out where someone does not meet a policy. What we do is try to tell them what they need to do to meet the policy. Many times, as you can see from the numbers, people just don't come back. They realize they probably don't qualify. They can probably get upstream space or who knows why, but they just don't come back. So that's that big lag in the percentages there. And that's all I have. Thank you. Any questions? Okay. Thanks. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Thank you, Leslie.
MR PLZAK: Bob, Bob Stratton, financial services.
MR. STRATTON: I really will be quick. Good morning everybody. Okay. I'm going to talk about my staff, what activities we're up to and some stats but not many. Tammy and Amaris are here. Hopefully you met them at the front registration desk. Dawn, Tanya and Amy back at the office and as is Val. They do a great job. I want to say that publicly. What are we up to? We're continuing to cleanup our overdue accounts. We're almost done with the ones that are extremely overdue. There's always going to be some of you folks that are overdue and we've implemented an e-mail reminder program, the third item there. Basically what that does is we originally send the invoice to your billing point of contact somewhere sixty days before it's due and we then send another e-mail out thirty days before it's due to the technical point of contact, the admin point of contact, whoever else we have. In essence that's going to go to you guys, say hey, by the way, we sent you guys an invoice a while back, you might want to track it down in case it hasn't been paid, and that seems to be working out very well. The feedback we've gotten is thank you for letting us know. We didn't -- you know, our billing person left or they didn't get it or whatever. So our actual time and duration of these invoices hanging out there has -- has gone down dramatically so we're very happy with that. We've also corrected Org IDs in the accounting data. Our key field is the Org ID so that registration and billing can talk to each other in the long run. This is -- opens up a lot of possibilities for coordination and normalization of data and what that's done is improved the data sharing across departments. Some of our operational activities: These are our sustaining activities, if you -- if you will, our accounts receivable, which, you know, what -- what services are -- need to be paid for, accounts payable, the bills for this meeting, our salaries, that type of thing. Contracts administration, also budgeting and financial reporting. If you're a financial services department this is what you do. Some stats: These are our phone calls that we receive on a monthly basis. So far this year we have a help desk, as it were. We encourage you to call us. It's helpful to us to get feedback from you but it also solves problems a lot faster. We also get plenty of e-mails but we found the phone to be a good way to communicate directly. Just to give you guys an idea of what type of billing goes out on a monthly basis. This is for this year. As you can see, we bill a lot for AS's and mostly that is maintenance bills. But in absolute -- in absolute terms there's a lot of these activities. In dollar terms, the -- the dollar amount for v4 renewals is really where we get our main revenue source and Lee will point that out in his presentation. In terms of how you guys pay us: Credit card, check and other. Other is wires, ACH's. This is actual absolute numbers. So in absolute numbers you pay us a lot by credit cards. A lot of the hundred dollar payments for the maintenance comes through. But in terms of absolute dollars, most of -- most organizations are more comfortable paying us by check. In the modern world it just seems organizations are more comfortable with the process of having control of a check. And with that, it's good to see everybody. Thanks.
MR. PLZAK: Thanks, Bob.
MR PLZAK: Ginny. Engineering, Ginny Listman.
MS. LISTMAN: Good morning. I'm going to talk about our staff, what we've done and what we plan to do. Here's an org chart of the engineering department. We recently went through some reorg. Mostly it was title changes that -- that are -- suited the position that the person was doing. Tim Christensen is now system architect. Matt Ryanczak is now a systems operations manager. The people in yellow are the people that are here. Matt Ryanczak and Matt Rowley are responsible for the network so I hope you enjoyed the network. Tim Christensen was our CRISP presenter and if you still have questions about CRISP you can still talk to Tim. And Matt O'Donnell did help out at the registration desk and if you didn't see him there you probably saw him at the bar. Some of the things we've done in the last six months: The election's over. We've talked about -- Bob mentioned the notification process. We -- over the summer we released a new routing registry server software and the biggest noticeable change is the way that it -- the mirroring technology. It better implements our C2769. And I should mention that this is only the server application. The way that the data gets into the database is still the same way and we are looking to improve that in the upcoming year. Leslie mentioned the template changes. The consultation and suggestion process we've heard about. The one other thing that we made -- another change that we've made for Bob's group is that we've improved the way that they do their invoicing. Things that we plan on doing over the next six months: We're still not completely pleased with the way the billing process is on the website, the external website, and we're looking to make improvements on that. We're -- currently all of our RSA's are stored in paper format. We'd like to put them in electronic format to make it easier for people to find them when they need them. We're talking about turning our public lists into an RSS feed. Leslie mentioned the Lame Delegation in 2005-9, and we are looking at a resource classification project in which -- I have some more information on that. We talked yesterday about how we need to do some early registration cleanup and we see this as our first step in that process. We need to clearly identify which resources are covered by an RSA, which are not, which were issued by ARIN, which were not. And that third questionnaire is so that Leslie's group can do analysis on how effective the policy was. So we're throwing that in there as well. Some operational activities: Over the summer we became fully multi-homed and also in addition to no longer using Mark Kosters' software we are also no longer using the hardware that Network Solution gave us when ARIN started. (Applause)
MR. KOSTERS: Can I have it back?
MS. LISTMAN: Come on by. We'll give it to you. We're playing with IP Telephony. The -- ARIN does communicate a lot with the other registries, and IP Telephony has worked great and we're continuing to experiment with it and use it to our advantage. We're also doing some database upgrades. And that's all I have.
MR. PLZAK: Thank you, Ginny.
MR. PLZAK: And Mary K. Human resource administration, Mary K. Lee.
MS. LEE: Good morning everyone. Going to just do another brief presentation, as we all say. Never mind. I figured it out, I think. A little overview. I'm just going to talk about the department staff, it's a very small department, only three of us, human resources update, and then just a little bit about computers and fashion. Here's a picture of the administration department. Most of you know Therese Colosi who's on the right. However, Teresa has not yet made it to a meeting. She's our office administrator, she's on the left. In case you didn't realize, that was me in the middle. Therese Colosi, executive assistant, supports the executive team, the ARIN Board of Trustees, the ARIN Advisory Council, and the ASOAC and whatever else may crop up at a meeting or something. Right, Ray? Teresa Woodfork takes care of the general office administration day-to-day and she also does the bulk of the travel arrangements for ARIN staff. Therese takes care of those for the executive team and the Board and AC. And my area includes, very typical, payroll, comp and benefits, facility management, training and education. H.R. update: There are currently forty-one of us, twenty woman, twenty-one men. We have one intern, as Ginny pointed out, and we also have one temporary employee right now. There -- our average tenure is just a little bit over four years. There are fifteen of us who have been at ARIN for five years or more. Current projects: I've been working on a pandemic response plan and we've now decided that we'll probably fold that into the overall emergency response plan for ARIN which I'm working on with all the directors and will probably spend a lot of time with Ginny in her department. The other project that's been taking up a little bit of my time has been looking at performance appraisal software. There's quite a bit out there so I've been doing a lot of evaluation and I think we're ready to make a selection. Had the directors do some test driving of one of them a few weeks ago, which is looking pretty promising. Before the meeting I was looking at the website for Washington University, in particular the CAIT page, and noted that it said it had been about twenty-five years ago since they started offering courses in computers, computer programming. So I wondered, wow, at ARIN how long have we had an association with computers? So I sent out a little survey and asked people what was the first year that they had association or were exposed to computers? What kind of computer was their first computer? And, you know, you have to think of fashion with computers, of course, so what kind of T-shirt were you wearing as you work on your computer? And I missed a whole point so we'll just go by that. Survey results: This was the years we had a few early people, 1968. As you can see, the bulk of us pretty much the late '70s into early '80s, and then a few people really not until they moved into the workplace and not until the late '80s and very early '90s. I've been told I can call this a trash '80. Two people said that this was the first computer they had owned. Here's a couple more of the early models we claim to have in our homes, the Commodore 64, Mac Classic and a Tandy desktop there on the left. And then we -- I thought, you know, talk about all the T-shirts and we all have so many T-shirts from various places. So I asked people how many T-shirts they had in their active ARIN rotation and I did take -- got some volunteers to pose for me in the office wearing some of their ARIN and other RIR wear. But I got some great answers on this question. Some people said well over a hundred, they've been doing this for many, many years, a few, only, you know, a handful, and then we tried to drill down into do they actually wear them? I have to say some of them, the ARIN female staff, including myself, claims to only wear them to the gym. They don't meet our fashion criteria. Not so true for some of the men who said they had many in their active wardrobe rotation, although one said, just on his own, claimed to have way too many. And another ARIN employee, who's actually here today, said his wife said he has too many. Anyway, that's it for the human resources department. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Thanks, Mary K.
MR. PLZAK: According to the agenda we would take a break but I'm not going to do that unless someone violently objects. Okay. I will now move on to the Advisory Council report. Ron had to unfortunately leave early so Alec, the vice-chair, will be presenting that report. Alec Peterson.
MR. PETERSON: Good morning. Oh, that's even better. I'm Alec Peterson. I am the vice-chair of the ARIN Advisory Council and this is a summary of our activities since we -- since I think Ron last spoke to you six months ago. Where do I point? Oh, even better. We have abandoned several policy proposals from the 2005 cycle, 2005-1, 2005-8 and 2005-9.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Adopted.
MR. PETERSON: Adopted, sorry. Yes, adopted 2005-1, 2005-8 and 2005-9. With 2006-1, after the rather lengthy discussion during the -- during the public policy meeting yesterday the Advisory Council, based on the polls taken during the meeting, decided there was not consensus for that policy proposal and has since abandoned it due to discussion within the Advisory Council that ensued because of the clear -- the clear desire of the -- of the attendance at the meeting to continue looking into residential customer privacy. However, there was -- there was general agreement both in the AC as well as the meeting that we would need -- the policy proposal would need to be materially different from the ones that have already gone through for it even to get through the A -- for the AC really to decide to move it forward to discuss because it's already been rejected twice. 2006-2: Micro-Allocations for internal infrastructure was moved to last call as the AC gauged there was consensus to do so. 2006-3, likewise, was moved onto last call. 2006-6 was withdrawn by the author following the ARIN policy change -- the ARIN process change, and a new proposal that was sent to the members list -- or to the public policy mailing list during the meeting regarding IPv6 allocation criteria was the AC decided that there was no reason to preclude it from entering the policy process so we requested that ARIN staff assign it a -- assign it a policy number. Other things that the AC has been working on: As started last -- last year, the advisory -- ARIN sends two advisory -- ARIN Advisory Council members to each of the other RIR meetings and we continue to do that. We've gotten -- we think it's been very productive and very useful having people there representing ARIN but doing work for ARIN, able to speak to policy issues and just process issues within -- within ARIN and then making clear to other -- other members -- members of other regions how the process works in ARIN. We've been working on various edits for clarity and grammar of the NRPM resource policy manual and Marla has been doing a fantastic job in putting together and spreading the word and getting input on the IPv6 multi-homing BCP current practices for the NRO. And that's all I've got. Any questions? Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Next the Board of Trustees report by the chair, John Curran.
MR. CURRAN: Good morning. As always I'm here to highlight what the Board of Trustees has done in the time since our last Board of Trustees meeting. Following the recommendation of the ARIN Advisory Council, the Board of Trustees did ratify three policy proposals, policy proposal 2005-1, policy proposal 2005-8, and policy proposal 2005-9. Additionally, we did move to adopt the Number Resource Policy Manual version 2006.2, which is an editorial cleanup version of the NRPM to handle cross-references and similar. On a process basis, we worked on and actually adopted both the ARIN contracting process and the ARIN consultation process both of which you'll see being posted on the website shortly. On external matters: Needless to say, this year there was some activity with our Counsel in litigation so that's taking a bit of our time. Additionally, activities with negotiations of a IANA contract with ICANN, the ongoing activities with what was WSIS and is now the evolving IGF and just general liaison with the NRO takes a bit of our time in external matters. Finally, financially we continued our policy with respect to IPv6 fees and adopted a fee schedule for the year and adopted our 2007 budget. So it's been a brisk year of Board activities and that's all I have to report. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Okay. No questions of John. Okay.
MR. PLZAK: Now the treasurer will provide the financial report. Treasurer is Lee Howard.
MR. HOWARD: Good morning. I know everybody has said good morning but I'm going to make you wake up and say good morning back to me. Good morning.
MR. HOWARD: There we go. Thank you. That's about all I prepared. Thank you very much. No, I didn't actually prepare any comic presentation or anything really good specific to this meeting so give me a few minutes. I'm going to have you advance some slides for me so I don't have to sit here and find the right button. I really only have two things to talk about. Spend a couple of minutes talking about the specific -- the auditor's report from 2005 and then tell you about the rest of the things that the finance committee has been doing. First let's show you the actual auditor's report. Erika's going to bring up the letter that the auditor sent to us. Basically says great audit, very clean, no -- no findings of substance -- can you go back to the auditor's letter? The page before that. There we go. This had been posted online. If you go into the ARIN website into About Us, and I don't remember exactly what it's called, but you'll find financial -- the annual reports for every year of ARIN's existence. So this is online which is why I'm not going to spend too much time on the exact letter. You can go ahead and scroll through just to say we kind of showed you. I'm going to spend a few minutes on all those line items on all the financial statements but if you really want to know what ARIN's revenue recognition policy is or, you know, you want to read the exact letter it's online. Go find it, talk to me later, talk to Bob or send us an e-mail. Our, of course, e-mail address is also online. So here we have the statement of financial position. This is as of December 31, 2005 compared to, of course, the year before. A standard way to present financial reports. Cash and cash equivalents. Investments, you can see some significant changes there in investments. That's both contributions from revenue over our actual expenses and from -- you know, return on our investments. I have to go back and check. Non-trade receivables: In addition to the really many of the great benefits that ARIN has for its staff, ARIN has a computer purchase program where ARIN provides a loan to employees to buy computer hardware or software and then they pay it back so that ARIN employees can stay active with the equipment and technologies that members are working on. Prepaid expenses: Standard things like insurance, specific ones there. The escrow is funds in escrow to ICANN. We have an annual contribution that we make to ICANN as part of the NRO and we've been holding most of that money in escrow until we had an actual signed contract with them. So here's the rest of the statement of financial position. Accounts payable, due to ICANN: Again that's money we will be presumably remitting to ICANN once we have a vehicle in place. I don't think there's much to say about deferred rent. Deferred revenue is we recognize -- here's the revenue recognition policy: We -- members or -- I guess every recipient pays his money at -- I guess that's member revenues. It's registrations. We collect at the beginning of the year and then recognize the revenue monthly throughout the rest of the year. So we defer recognition of that revenue until the actual month that it's received so that's why there's so much in deferred revenue. So total there. Statement of activities: Obviously the big bulk of our revenues are from our registrations. That's not really a surprise, I would assume, to anybody. And registrations is and maintenance fees are pretty obvious. Contributions is in particular meeting support. We're looking at ways to recognize contributions towards meeting support differently over the next year. That'll be, you know, in conversations with our auditors. And there you go. Operating expenses: You can see, you know, the -- we have a great staff and these are the -- you know, this is what they do. This is where the money goes. Not really a whole lot to say about specific activities within each group. You pretty much know who they are. You've heard their reports. You know where the money's been going. And here we go again with the changes in net assets. We got interest and dividends and realized and unrealized gains on all our investments. Add those together and that's how you get to that change. And then we ended the year with $17 million in unrestricted net assets.
MR. HOWARD: Now finance committee: Other things that we do besides talk to the auditors or, I guess, including talking to the auditors. As treasurer I am automatically chair of the finance committee. Scott Bradner and Bill Manning have also agreed to serve and consult on financial matters. Ray also is a non-voting member of the committee as -- through his function as president and Bob is pretty much always there when we're having any of the conversation since he's the director of the business department, the financial services, whatever you're called these days. Things we've done: You can see a lot of bullets here. There's a fair amount of work that the finance committee does. We meet very regularly, almost every month telephonically usually. Once or twice a year we'll have a face to face meeting. Of course we reviewed the performance of the investments in reserves. We also reviewed the distribution of our investments. Our financial advisor suggested additional funds or a class of funds that we should be invested in and we talked about it and accepted his advice. We talked about having -- two years ago we did a controlled audit similar to a Sarbanes-Oxley audit that a lot of you companies have been through. ARIN, being a not-for-profit, does not qualify or is not required to do a Sarbanes-Oxley audit but it seemed like a really good thing to do in order to grant additional assurance to our members that we are being responsible and diligent with the money. So we did that two years ago. They found a few things, as one would expect. We made some changes very quickly. It's now been a little over a year since that audit was completed and it seems like it would be reasonable to -- it didn't seem like it was going to be reasonable to do another audit this year of that type. A little too onerous on staff and even the auditors said no, we're not going to find anything. It's too soon to save you money. So we're going to engage additional auditors -- or we're going to engage auditors next year to do another financial controls audit, and I will say that we will not have our annual audit of financial statements performed by the same auditors who do our audit of financial controls. That seems like a conflict of interest to the FinCom. Of course we've done an analysis of revenues and expenses and part of that is to figure out where our fees relative to where should they be. Are we bringing in the right amount of revenue for the expenses we have? And in particulars, we're growing in our adoption of IPv6. Where should the fees be for IPv6? And we've made recommendations. The Board has adopted IPv6 fee structures and I'll talk in a minute about what fees were waived. But it's trying to figure out where are we going to be five, ten, fifteen years from now, which is a lot of crystal ball gazing. So we -- technically the FinCom doesn't adopt the IPv6 fee schedule. We forwarded a recommendation to the Board, they adopted it. We also recommended a partial waiver of IPv6 assignment fees. This is based on the policy from the last meeting where we can -- where ARIN can now do End-user assignments for IPv6 and then a partial waiver for those fees and the -- there's a waiver on transfer fees that will expire December 31 of 2006. Sorry about that slide. I missed that one. We're talking about changing the billing dates to be the same day of every day of the month having an anniversary date be one day, probably the 15th of the month, rather than your specific anniversary date. That's still in conversation. That has not taken place yet. We reviewed the contracting process that was adopted earlier this year. And of course we had reviewed the 2007 budget for ARIN and have recommended adoption by the Board. And I just want to show you a partial list of free stuff. These are fees that we're not collecting because we've waived them. Specifically several years ago, I think it was -- may have been as long ago as 2002, we waived fees for transfers to encourage people as there was a lot of consolidation and change and bankruptcy. In the industry we said people need -- we need to remove any disincentive for people to transfer their records to new company names. So we just waived those fees altogether to give people some time to do that, to cleanup their records. It has not been widely adopted. That was not a major success so we finally decided let's end this waiver, eventually we're going to have to end the waiver anyway. It is work for ARIN staff, it's a process transfer. In addition to receiving the process and the template, of course they need to do some verification that the records are being transferred appropriately. So we try to align our revenues with our expenses and this is one of the places where we do that. So we're going to let this waiver expire. It's going to expire at the end of this year. So if you have any records that you need to transfer do so now because -- well, or do so next year and we'll send you an invoice. But trying to give a little push by having a deadline here. Please cleanup your records. On IPv6 we have several sets of waivers. We have waived all IPv6 fees to all members in good standing. That's waived through the end of next year. We'll of course continue talking about whether to extend that waiver. Early this year we decided not to extend it beyond the end of December of next year. We may of course choose to do that again and we'll be looking for point -- input at the time. But this is another case that we can't -- we can't waive things forever. We need to eventually bring those revenues back in line with those expenses. There -- when we waived those fees there were some overdues, some overdue fees for IPv6 registrations. Those overdues were not waived. So if you've got registration -- if you got resources, had an anniversary date, had a second year of fees we still want to see those and then you're waived through next year. And as I mentioned, we waived all but five hundred dollars of the IPv6 initial assignment fee. This is for End-user assignments through the end of next year, and the next year to bring it in line with allocation fees, but also we decided we really needed to have -- we wanted to have a waiver to encourage, to -- I don't even want to say necessarily encourage. So that we would not be inhibiting the adoption of IPv6. We want to allow people to adopt it at the rate that's appropriate for people to do. However, we also -- since we have waived allocation fees, if you're a member, members are already paying either IPv4 registration fees or they're paying the five hundred dollar annual membership fee. So it seemed like we ought to have a comparable fee in place for End-user assignments, that's why it's five hundred dollars. We also said if we don't -- you know, End-user assignment fees can be -- can be fairly large and we didn't want to set it up -- bless you -- we didn't want to set it up so that we would have End-users trying to decide whether to pay five hundred dollars and become a member or pay nothing and become an End-user. We didn't want to create a competition between two different policies, that's why we said it to be equivalent there. So, yeah, numbers can be fairly dry and boring. Anybody have any questions? Oh, excellent. I love that.
MR. DELONG: Owen DeLong, C2 Company. Could we get any information on what the financial impact of the litigation has been and is likely to be?
MR. HOWARD: I need to check with Counsel.
MR. CURRAN: Owen, do you want the impact of the cost of the litigation or the possible risk post-award or post-judgment?
MR. DELONG: Mostly the cost of litigation.
MR. CURRAN: Okay. So ARIN has a litigation reserve, a little budget item that we've been maintaining for years which we funded and it is well funded. At this time between that reserve and between the current other leeway in the budget it will have no material impact on ARIN. If it can -- that's the assumption, is that the next round of meetings and presentations will bring the matter to a close. If that's not the case we could see an impact of ARIN in the order of two to five percent of our annual cost, our annual budget, if it continues on an ongoing basis. But right now it's totally handled by the reserves that we already have set aside in the organization. Does that help?
MR. HOWARD: Anything else? Great. Thank you. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Okay. We are now to open microphone. So John, I'll turn it over to you for a member's session of open microphone.
MR. CURRAN: We now get to the open microphone session of the member's meeting. This is focused on matters of the organization, not the policy -- not the policies themselves. Note that some parties who may have opinions on various policies may have left because the member meeting is focused more on organizational matters. So to the extent that you want to talk about ARIN, the organization, our budget, our processes now is a wonderful time. Come forth. The microphones are open. Yes?
MS. MURPHY: ARIN recently announced --
MR. CURRAN: Please state name and affiliation?
MS. MURPHY: Oh, okay. Sandy Murphy, Sparta. ARIN recently announced a new process, the consultation and suggestion process. That process provides for a member to -- of the community to suggest a service to ARIN and the mandatory parts of the process are that the -- the suggestor sends an e-mail message and ARIN will send an acknowledgment of receipt of the suggestion and will evaluate the process. There's a possibility of public review and there's a possibility of a vote. So all that's necessary to happen has no public representation. I believe I understand from some private e-mail exchange that perhaps there will be public reporting of suggestions received but I was wondering if that is necessarily going to happen and if the process will be amended to indicate that there will be public reporting like there are at these meetings?
MR. CURRAN: Because of the discussion over the last two days we are now going to be looking at what public reporting of what goes into the process and what comes out of the process and where various proposals end up and then as soon as we take that under advisement we'll revise it accordingly. I also want to --
MS. MURPHY: Proposals is probably confusing, but yeah.
MR. CURRAN: Right. I also want to note that one of the -- one of the other ways to make a suggestion for things that ARIN should be doing is if you have the advantage of being able to attend an ARIN meeting then at an open mike session you can make such a suggestion.
MS. MURPHY: And we saw yet another example yesterday at the end of the CRISP presentation where there was a slide that said is ARIN -- are ARIN members interested in this and that's the reverse of ARIN asking the membership if they're interested in their service, which is -- and there's someone over there with their hand raised.
MR. CURRAN: Right. Go ahead.
MR. WOODCOCK : Also, obviously if anyone who makes the suggestion wants to make it public that they're making a suggestion they can just cc the e-mail to the PPML or any other public forum.
MS. MURPHY: Okay. Is that in keeping with good manners? If the ARIN process is that you send them a message to that particular e-mail is there any angst if it's also made public at the same time?
MR. CURRAN: Not at all.
MS. MURPHY: Okay.
MR. CURRAN: The only reason that you may not get a public response is if you make a suggestion that has implications to the organization that are not safely put publicly. You make a suggestion that ARIN not use professional counsel but instead draft by launch one member of the community each year we might have feelings about that that we're not necessarily going to communicate. On the other hand, we might have very strong feelings that we do communicate. But there are some matters that we wouldn't necessarily be able to communicate on publicly, particularly now in the matter of litigation that does prevent us from discussing some topics lest we hear our own words against us in a filing within some number of weeks.
MS. MURPHY: Yeah. I was just, you know --
MR. CURRAN: Sure.
MS. MURPHY: The numbering system, the statement of the suggestion, all those sorts of things.
MR. CURRAN: It would be great if you wanted to cc the community when you send a suggestion in.
MS. MURPHY: Okay.
MR. PLZAK: Two things, Sandy. One, we had received a suggestion about a reporting system and promptly responded back to the person who made the suggestion that yes, we would do that, we've been working on it. There are several things we have to do. The second thing is is that we have received some frivolous suggestions to include "I would like to work for ARIN." So there is some discretion we have to practice here as well in addition to what John has said.
MS. MURPHY: Okay.
MR. CURRAN: Anything else?
MS. MURPHY: No, that's it. Thank you.
MR. CURRAN: Thank you. Center front microphone?
MR. DELONG: Owen DeLong, C2 Company. Completely unrelated topic. I would like to suggest that the very small number of nonsubscriber members represents that perhaps ARIN could improve its outreach to the broader community by reducing the membership annual fee. I know that I am an Org myself currently and I am not a member as my self-Org currently because the member fee is more than I would pay per year for it.
MR. CURRAN: What fee do you think is appropriate for a member?
MR. DELONG: I think one to two hundred dollars a year would be fine.
MR. CURRAN: Okay. Thank you. Center front microphone?
MR. LEWIS: Ed Lewis, NeuStar. Last year's meetings there were some presentations about ARIN's service held agreements and I was -- I liked seeing that. I liked seeing ARIN put up numbers of what they were promising and how they were meeting that number. I missed most of the Montreal meeting. I was told that it wasn't presented there but that since things were going well it wasn't worth reporting problems, which is -- I can accept that. I was watching the session -- I wasn't in the room the whole day all this morning and I don't think they were presented again today. I think it would be good if we just saw periodic updates of what ARIN is promising as levels either in -- either in meetings or on the website, one of the two, it doesn't really matter. But at least to see at least how ARIN is meeting the goals it's setting out and so on.
MR. CURRAN: Good comment. Ray?
MR. PLZAK: Ed, it's been good -- because we've been discussing about how to do that and we're thinking that we'll bring it back. Again, doing it every meeting is something we don't think is necessarily something we would want to do. Looking at for sure doing it at least annually. We're looking at there may be something else we could do as far as posting it on the website or something. I don't know. We've got a couple of things we're looking at so it's not that we are ignoring it. We're just trying to figure out the best way to do it.
MR. DELONG: Okay. For example, one reason I would like to see it is for the ACSP process. If we feel that we want to see a rise in performance on something and are willing to pay for it as members. That's -- that's one way I would use that information.
MR. PLZAK: Makes sense.
MR. CURRAN: Microphones remain open. Center front.
MR. DUL: Andrew Dul, Boeing. It's come to my attention, I guess, or my education over the past couple of months that there is a -- sort of two classes of End-users due to the way that when people became End-users with ARIN. A certain date we change the policy of automatically making End-users members and before that date people are not members. If I'm speaking incorrectly someone please let me know. Is that still true?
MR. CURRAN: Leslie or Susan?
MR. BRADNER : You're talking about End-users or you're talking about assignments? There was one point where we decided rather than to have separate memberships and assignment that we'd just make all assignees members.
MR. DUL: Okay. So --
MR. BRADNER : Allocation, sorry. Allocation. All -- too many A words here. All allocation -- allocation recipients members.
MR. DUL: Talking about assignments, End-users.
MR. BRADNER : No, we've not -- we've never done that.
MR. DUL: Okay. So there's -- that's confusion from me. And I guess others. Are End-users/assignees current ARIN members because I've heard they are and they aren't?
MR. BRADNER : Okay. Not automatically.
MR. DUL: They are not or they are?
MR. BRADNER: They're not.
MR. DUL: They're not.
MR. CURRAN: Susan, do you want to --
MS. HAMLIN: Organizations who receive allocations from ARIN are automatically members. Those that receive an assignment or an AS number are not ARIN members unless they also choose to apply under the general ARIN membership category.
Mr. HOWARD : And if you received an allocation before ARIN then you would not be a member.
MR. DUL: Okay. That makes sense.
Mr. BUSH : And so experimentals -- experimentals don't get it?
MR. CURRAN: Right. Receivers or experimental resources also are not members unless they choose separately to become members.
MR. DUL: So I guess there's misinformation that I heard that -- that we had two classes of assignment holders that received -- received resources from ARIN and I wanted to see if we could rectify that, but if that doesn't exist then we don't have to rectify it. Makes it easy to fix.
MR. CURRAN: Good. Microphones remain open. For our members, open microphone session. I'll be closing the microphone shortly. Approach the mike if you have something to say. Center rear.
MR. DARTE: I'm Bill Darte, I'm on the ARIN Advisory Council, I'm also a member from Washington University and a co-host of the meetings that came to St. Louis and I'd like you all to -- I'd like to thank you all for coming to St. Louis and making this a very successful meeting. But the real reason I came up here was to thank ARIN staff. I've been to every ARIN meeting ever and I see them continually improving the process and the roll out of these meetings. I think it's an exceptional group of people. (Applause)
MR. CURRAN: Seeing no one at the microphones, I'll end this session on that high note. Thank you. That concludes our open microphone session.
MR. PLZAK: Okay. So first of all, some reminders. Please turn in your wireless cards. I really don't know how many people are still picking up wireless cards. I would like to know that. It can't be many. Remember, please, and Bill just mentioned about the fact that we try and -- and make improvements to these meetings and it's because we get information from you via these surveys. They are very, very important to us so please fill them out. And I'll have to do this obligatory commercial here. We are going to be shameless and give away prizes for people that enter the raffle by completing the surveys. Let's thank again our sponsors. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: Okay. And I whimsically said at the beginning of this session "and people like you" and actually we really mean that. It's you, the members of ARIN and the members of the general community, that are actually sponsoring this activity just by being here and participating in an active manner. ARIN meetings continue to be very dynamic meetings. People that attend other RIR meetings have always said that they like ARIN meetings because of the dynamism that occurs and the openness and the vigorous discussions that we have. I was interviewed last evening after the meeting by a member of the press who had been watching the session on a webcast and he said, you know, that was a very, very lively discussion that was going on there. Is it always like that? And I had to say yeah, basically it always is. So it's you that make this meeting happen. So I would like to thank you for coming. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: So at this point several staff members have been singled out but I would like the entire staff to stand and I would like to offer them my personal thanks. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: And my personal thanks goes not only to the staff that's here that make this meeting happen but half the staff is still back in Virginia making ARIN happen. And so let's thank them as well. (Applause)
MR. PLZAK: And so with that I guess that's it. And so I guess we will see you at our next meeting. Thank you.