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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, 15 November 2012
Teleconference

Minutes

Advisory Council Attendees:

  • John Sweeting, Chair (JS)
  • Scott Leibrand, Vice Chair (SL)
  • Dan Alexander (DA)
  • Cathy Aronson (CA)
  • Kevin Blumberg (KB)
  • Bill Darte (BD)
  • Owen DeLong (OD)
  • David Farmer (DF)
  • Stacy Hughes (SH)
  • Bill Sandiford (BS)
  • Heather Schiller (HS)
  • Rob Seastrom (RS)

Minute Taker

  • Thérèse Colosi

ARIN Staff:

  • Michael Abejuela, Assoc. General Counsel (MA)
  • Einar Bohlin, Sr. Policy Analyst (EB)
  • John Curran, President & CEO
  • Nate Davis, COO (ND)

Regrets:

  • Chris Grundemann

Absent:

  • Chris Morrow

Observers:

  • John Springer (2013 AC Member-elect)

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:11p.m. EST. The presence of quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Review

The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

3. Approval of the Minutes

It was moved by OD, and seconded by SL, that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of 26 October 2012, as written."

The Chair called for discussion.  There were no discussion.

The motion carried with no objections.

4. Draft Policy ARIN-2012-2: IPv6 Subsequent Allocations Utilization Requirement

HS, as primary shepherd of this draft policy, stated that it was currently under revision.

BD joined the meeting at this time (4:14 p.m. EST). 

HS stated that the revisions would be extensive enough to be presented again at the next ARIN Public Policy Meeting (PPM).  CA, secondary shepherd, agreed.

5. Draft Policy ARIN-2012-5: Removal of Renumbering Requirement for Small Multi-Homers

It was moved by CA and seconded by BD that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XXX Public Policy Meeting, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, supports Draft Policy ARIN-2012-5: Removal of Renumbering Requirement for Small Multi-homers and recommends the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt it."

The Chair called for discussion. CA stated that there was support and believed it was a good idea. She had tried to foster discussion on the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) during last call, but no comments were received. She noted that there had been much support at the ARIN PPM.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

6. Draft Policy ARIN-2012-6: Revising Section 4.4 C/I Reserved Pool Size

It was moved by BS, and seconded by BD, that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XXX Public Policy Meeting, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, finds Advisory Council and Community support for Draft Policy 2012-6: Revising Section 4.4 C/I Reserved Pool Size and moves to it to Last Call."

The Chair called for discussion.  SL explained that the text had a number of alternatives, which were discussed at the AC's workshop on 26 October.  He wanted to make the minimum number of changes and move the draft policy forward to last call, and suggested that only the portion of his text be incorporated. That was what BS was moving to last call. BS agreed with SL's explanation.

SL stated he had changed the text on the AC's Wiki and had sent it to the AC's list. The Chair asked the AC if all of them had reviewed this final version of the text. For clarity, SL stated it was not new, and was posted to the AC's list three weeks ago. The Chair expressed his concern of voting on text that all of the AC may not have reviewed.

OD stated that he had read it and suggested an editorial redundancy be removed. SL agreed and stated he would re-send it to the AC's list. The Chair stated it needed to be sent to the AC at this time to ensure they have seen the text in question.

CA stated that the previous post did not show the actual text in final form. The Chair agreed it should have been sent in final form prior to this meeting.  HS stated she did not see this on the PPML.  The Chair also acknowledged that it should have been sent to the PPML. SL confirmed it had not been sent to the PPML.

CA suggested the text be sent to PPML, and that last call be done at the next AC meeting. She was not in favor of the motion at this time. 

BS stated that this same procedure was carried out on Draft Policy 2011-1.  The Chair so noted BS point. BS pointed out that the revisions on this draft policy were minor than the revisions made on 2011-1.

BD stated he was in favor of the motion, as he believed there to be some degree of urgency with this draft policy, and the text had been posted to the AC. Moving it to last call would give the community a chance to review it, and the AC could share their insights on the PPML, and call for comments.  If there were many comments for changing it, it would be changed.  SL agreed with BD's suggestion. He stated these were minor changes and the matter was somewhat urgent. He believed that last call was a good way to obtain input from the community via the PPML.

DF noted that the rationale was missing, and that it needed to be added as part of the last call with a justification for what is being done and why. He believed it to be significantly different than what was discussed at the ARIN meeting. He acknowledged that the text changes were simple and he supported them, but believed that they needed to be explained to the community.  The Chair agreed and stated this was why it needed to go before the PPML prior to moving it to last call.

BS clarified that the rationale was in the October 26 e-mail that was posted to the AC; and, SL stated the policy text was currently on the AC Wiki.

DA agreed with CA's prior comment that the AC was not prepared, and he did not support the motion. HS asked if ARIN staff had seen the revisions. Chair noted that it had not been requested of staff. HS believed some changes may not be clear to staff.

The Chair cautioned the need to be sure that the Policy Development Process (PDP) had been properly followed when eventually recommending a draft policy to the ARIN Board for adoption. DF stated that he could not support motion at this time, that the AC was not ready.

The Chair acknowledged BD's concern of the urgency of this draft policy. KB stated he was not in support of the motion, and that the process should be followed correctly. RS asked, "If it remains on AC docket, could it be ready by the next AC meeting in December to move to last call?"  He stated he was not in support of the current motion to move this draft policy to last call.  OD stated that he was in support of the motion, and noted it was posted to the AC's list and the AC Wiki since 26 October. He pointed out that the changes were minimal. He asked the AC to review the text before voting for last call.

RS stated that there is more scrutiny from the community than ever before, and he preferred to be able to state that the PDP had been followed to the letter. He believed this to be very important. He pointed out the lack of staff input on the revisions.

BS pointed out that there had been three e-mails from SL to the AC's list where the draft policy could be found, one on 26 October, and more discussion on the 27th and 28th.  He believed that the AC had ample opportunity to review the text, and there was no good reason to not move the draft policy forward to last call.

The Chair called the vote.

The motion to move to last call failed with 8 against (DA, CA, KB, BD, DF, SH, HS, RS) and 4 in favor (SL, OD, BS, JS) via roll call.

The Chair tasked the AC to review what was needed to move the draft policy to last call at the next AC meeting. SL stated he would post it to the PPML to obtain input from community. The Chair stated he would send the text to ARIN staff to request an updated staff and legal review. BD requested the text also be sent to the AC list in final form with rationale. BS agreed to do so. 

7. Draft Policy ARIN-2012-7: Reassignments for Third Party Internet Access (TPIA) over Cable

It was moved by KB and seconded by CA that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XXX Public Policy Meeting, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, supports Draft Policy ARIN-2012-7: Reassignments for Third Party Internet Access (TPIA) over Cable and recommends the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt it."

The Chair called for discussion.  KB stated he had not seen any comments during last call period, and noted it had received support at the ARIN PPM. CA agreed with KB's statement. DA stated he would abstain due to the fact that he worked for a cable provider.

The motion carried with 1 abstention (DA) via roll call.

8. Draft Policy ARIN-2012-8: Aligning 8.2 and 8.3 Transfer Policy

KB stated he needed to leave at this time (4:46 pm EST).

DF stated that CG sent the revised text to the AC's list on 05 November, and he had not seen any comments from the AC. He asked the AC to review and comment. DF further stated he would ask CG to send the revised text to the PPML, and possibly move it to last call at the next AC meeting. He believed it was on the AC's Wiki, but would make sure it would was posted and that he would follow up with CG.

9. ARIN-Prop-182: Update Residential Customer Definition to Not Exclude Wireless as Residential Service

DF stated he would foster discussion on the PPML, and work on a better definition of the problem statement in order to have it ready for the new version of PDP, soon to be released. BD suggested giving it a new title. DF agreed he would change the title. OD suggested limiting to the policy to fixed wireless. DF acknowledged OD's suggestion. The Chair asked OD to send that request in an email. DF stated that this was brand new, and anticipated it would produce discussion on the PPML. He noted it had a long way to go.

10. ARIN-Prop-183. Section 8.4 Transfer Enhancement

It was moved by SL and seconded by RS that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled  'Section 8.4 Transfer Enhancement', accepts it onto the AC's docket."

The Chair called for discussion, and stated that the staff review had been received and was straightforward. DF supported the motion, and suggested that those AC members who attend RIR meetings in the ensuing months note this matter at the other RIR meetings.  He believed it would be non-functional unless the other RIRs do something as well, and it would be a good gauge to ARIN's efforts. SL did not believe there was much effort to do this, and considered it to be a minor change. The Chair stated if our community wants it, ARIN should do it, but he agreed it should be discussed with other RIRs.  OD stated he was against the motion.

The motion carried with 10 in favor (DA, CA, BD, DF, SH, SL, BS, HS, RS, JS), 1 against (OD) via roll call.

11. Improve Communications Group (IC) Report

(IC members: KB, BD, OD, CG)

The Chair called for any comments from the IC group. BD stated that he had notes from the ARIN PPM table topic sessions, but needed to review them before distributing to the AC.

12. Any Other Business

The Chair called for any other business.  He officially welcomed John Springer to the AC as member-elect for 2013. The Chair stated John would be an observer to the AC's activities until 01 January 2013, but the Chair stated John should feel free to contact any AC member with any questions he may have.

13. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 4:58 p.m. EST. OD moved to adjourn, seconded by BD. The motion carried with no objections.