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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, November 19, 2009
Teleconference

Minutes

Attendees:

  • John Sweeting, Chair
  • Dan Alexander (DA)
  • Paul Andersen (PA)
  • Marla Azinger (MA)
  • Leo Bicknell (LB)
  • Bill Darte (BD)
  • Owen Delong (OD)
  • David Farmer (DF)
  • Scott Leibrand (SL)
  • Lea Roberts (LR)
  • Heather Schiller (HS)
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)

Minute Taker

  • Therese Colosi

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin, Policy Analyst
  • John Curran, President & CEO
  • Nate Davis, COO
  • Leslie Nobile, Director, Registration Services

Counsel:

  • Stephen M. Ryan

Observers:

  • Bill Sandiford

Apologies:

  • Cathy Aronson
  • Marc Crandall

Absent:

  • Stacy Hughes

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:06 p.m. EST. The presence of quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for any comments. The Chair reminded everyone to provide staff with their travel arrangements for their meeting in Reston in January.

3. Interim Appointment to the Advisory Council (AC)

The AC needs to determine whether to: either use their standing rule, "Procedure for the Appointment of an Interim Member to the ARIN Advisory Council" that they approved on March 27, 2003; leave the position vacant; or, use another criterion to appoint someone to the vacant seat left by the resignation of Paul Andersen (as of 12/31/09).

A) At their last meeting on November 11, 2009, it was moved by OD and seconded by SL that, "The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) consider available candidates both from the last election, and from the list proposed of former AC members; that the AC perform outreach to the candidates to solicit what the AC needs to make this decision, and then by secret ballot of the AC, elect one of them."

DF suggested a friendly amendment calling for the AC Chair to collect the nominations.

This motion was tabled until this meeting, so that the AC could further discuss the matter on their mailing list, and determine the best course of action.  The Chair called for any objections to taking this item off the table. There were no objections. He asked if OD had any comments. OD stated that per the discussion on the AC's mailing list, and the AC's discussion at their last meeting he was amenable to voting on the motion.

The Chair called for a roll call vote. Motion failed with 10 against and 2 (OD, RS) in favor.

B) Suggested Motion to follow the current standing rule:

It was moved by PA and seconded by SL that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council agrees that any vacancy on the Council that occurs before January 15th, 2010, will be filled using the 'Procedure for the Appointment of an Interim Member to the ARIN Advisory Council', which would appoint the runner-up with the highest number of votes, who received at least 5% of the votes cast."

The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.

The motion carried with 11 in favor and 1 abstention (OD) via roll call. OD stated that he abstained because he did not want to give credence to the standing rule; however, he had no issue with the results of the AC's vote.

It was moved by PA and seconded by RS, that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council appoints Mr. Tom Zeller, contingent on his approval, to fill the vacancy created by the departure of Paul Andersen from the Advisory Council effective January 1st, 2010."

The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.  The Chair stated that Tom had expressed interest in taking the seat. ARIN staff will follow up with Tom, and inform the AC.

LB stated that he needed to leave the call at this time (4:17 pm EST).

4. Draft Policy 2009-3 (Global Policy Proposal): Allocation of IPv4 Blocks to Regional Internet Registries

It was moved by SL and seconded by OD, that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XXIV Public Policy Meeting, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, supports Draft Policy 2009-3 (Global Policy Proposal): Allocation of IPv4 Blocks to Regional Internet Registries and recommends the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt it."

The Chair called for discussion. SL felt that all the points were made, it was put out to last call and there were no objections found. DF supported it, but was concerned about the elimination of the ‘new RIR' provision; however, it was not enough for him to oppose the motion. SL stated that a change to the rationale for this proposal was on the AC's WIKI, and he assumed the version recommended in this motion is that version which includes Jason Schiller's comments on global issues and comments from the ARIN XXIV Meeting. He stated that nothing in the policy has been changed since ARIN XXIV.  All agreed.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

5. Draft Policy 2009-5: IPv6 Multiple Discrete Networks

It was moved by HS and seconded by OD, that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XXIV Public Policy Meeting, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, supports Draft Policy 2009-5: IPv6 Multiple Discrete Networks and recommends the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt it."

The Chair called for discussion. HS stated that she had not seen any objections in the last few weeks. It was noted that there was overwhelming support for this proposal at ARIN XXIV and on the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML).

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

6. Draft Policy 2009-6: (Global) Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks (ASNs) to Regional Internet Registries

It was moved by MA and seconded by SL, that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XXIV Public Policy Meeting, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, supports Draft Policy 2009-6: (Global) Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks (ASNs) to Regional Internet Registries and recommends the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt it."

The Chair called for discussion. MA stated there had been no opposition to this proposal.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

7. Draft Policy 2009-7: Open Access to IPv6

It was moved by OD and seconded by MA, that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XXIV Public Policy Meeting, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, supports Draft Policy 2009-7: Open Access to IPv6 and recommends the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt it."

The Chair called for discussion. SL wanted to ensure that the text was revised to only remove the single aggregate requirement, leaving the 200 end-site requirement. It was confirmed that the revised version of the policy removes only the single aggregate requirement.

The motion carried with 1 abstention (HS) via roll call.

8. Draft Policy 2009-8: Equitable IPv4 Run Out

It was moved by DF and seconded by SL, that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XXIV Public Policy Meeting, or on the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List, having reviewed the comments collected, and noting that the Policy Development Process has been followed, finds Advisory Council and Community support for Draft Policy 2009-8: Equitable IPv4 Run Out and moves to it to Last Call."

The Chair called for discussion. MA asked if the text was updated regarding ‘last /8s'. SL replied it was, and reviewed the text with the AC. MA stated that in general she didn't support the motion, but appreciated the text as currently written. She felt run out should happen naturally and this proposal would not help the situation.

The motion carried with 10 in favor, and 1 against (MA) via roll call.

The Chair stated that he wanted to ensure that the AC received the timeline from staff for the ARIN meeting to be held in the 2nd quarter of 2010; and to keep the timeline in mind for the proposals below.

9. Proposal #95: Customer Confidentiality

The Chair explained that PA asked to be removed as a shepherd, since he was resigning from the AC as of December 31st. MC is the other shepherd, but unavailable on this teleconference. MA volunteered to replace PA as the secondary shepherd. MA stated that although the proposal could technically be posted to the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML), she wanted to catch up on it before doing so. The Chair agreed. PA stated that the only change he made was to revise the text into the ARIN Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) format; and, that he would forward this to MA.

10. Proposal #97: Waiting List for Unmet IPv4 Requests

SL stated that there was little feedback to write up, and he would post this to the PPML within the next few days.

11. Proposal #98: Last Minute Assistance for Small ISPs

BD stated he would like to move to abandon this proposal at this time. After the ARIN XXIV Meeting, he posted feedback to the PPML that the proposal triggers were needlessly complex, and unmanageable within the timeframes given, etc. He stated that through various supplemental discussions that took place, he felt there was consensus to abandon this proposal, and to reduce the minimum allocation size instead. He stated the author seemed to agree in a posting.

BD moved to abandon the proposal and ask the author to resubmit it taking into account his own conclusions and the last of the interactions on the PPML. This was seconded by OD.

The Chair asked BD if CA was in agreement, as she was the other shepherd, but was unavailable for this teleconference. BD stated that he had not confirmed that with her, but felt strongly that she is in agreement.

MA stated that she supported the motion. DA stated that since 2009-8 has been sent to last call, when the author rewrites the proposal, 2009-8 can be considered in the new draft. All agreed.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

12. Proposal #99: /24 End User Minimum Allocation Unit

OD stated this proposal was ready to go to staff and legal review.

13. Proposal #101: Multi-homed Initial Allocation Criteria

BD stated that the staff review suggested there were some concerns, of which the author was advised and understood the concerns. He stated the author would revise and resubmit the proposal, but has not done so as of November 13, 2009. Once the new draft is ready it will be submitted.

It was the sense of the AC that no action is needed at this time; as it could be either withdrawn or heavily modified. The Chair stated this item would be on the agenda for the AC's next teleconference.

14. Proposal #102: Reduce and Simplify IPv4 Initial Allocations

HS stated there have been many comments on the text, and would like to hold this proposal off the AC's docket. SL asked if the author was making revisions. HS replied that she was not sure at this time as she was still reviewing all the comments. DF asked if there was a staff assessment. HS stated that it came out on November 13, 2009.

OD wondered if this proposal would result in useful policy.  SL stated that the next round of discussions on minimum allocation size would be forthcoming; and, felt it was worth discussing.  The Chair agreed stating that he would like to give the shepherds time to evaluate the text. BD felt that it conformed with the last minute allocation proposal.

The President pointed out that at this time, the transfer policy follows minimum allocation guidelines, and the issue is not just about new assignments. He too felt it was beneficial to review minimum allocation.

Chair stated it would be on the agenda for the AC's next teleconference.

15. Proposal #103: Change IPv6 Allocation Process

EB stated that he received a revised version of this proposal shortly before this teleconference. The author took the recommendations from the PPML, and the staff assessment, and incorporated them into the proposal. The Chair thanked EB for this updated information.

DF stated that he had quickly posted versions of the initial review on the AC's WIKI. MA felt the text needed to be worked on before being placed on the AC's docket; and, that the routing policy portion needed to be reviewed. OD felt it should be abandoned. The Chair advised that since the author revised it, the AC doesn't have enough information currently to make the determination.

DF felt it should be left to be on the agenda for the AC's next teleconference. The Chair and AC agreed.

16. Any Other Business

The Chair called for any other business.

A) Upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in Senegal. ND informed the AC that MC will be presenting an abridged RIR update to AFRINIC next week. The presentation will include policies in ARIN region, and updates from this teleconference. The presentation may precede the formal posting of these minutes; and ND wanted the AC to be aware of this fact. It was the sense of the AC to review the presentation that MC was presenting. ND also stated that EB would be posting the policy result from this meeting to PPML on Tuesday.

B) AC Observers. BD welcomed Bill Sandiford as an observer to this teleconference, as Bill will be a new AC member as of January 1, 2010.  BD and the AC thanked Bill for his attendance.

17. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 5:02 p.m. EST. It was moved by MA and seconded by SL to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously.