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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, 16 July 2009
Teleconference

Minutes

Attendees:

  • John Sweeting, Chair
  • Marla Azinger (MA), Vice Chair
  • Dan Alexander (DA)
  • Paul Andersen, (PA)
  • Cathy Aronson (CA)
  • Leo Bicknell (LB)
  • Marc Crandall (MC)
  • Bill Darte (BD)
  • David Farmer (DF)
  • Stacy Hughes (SH)
  • Scott Leibrand (SL)
  • Lea Roberts, (LR)
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)

Minute Taker

  • Therese Colosi

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin (EB) Policy Analyst
  • Nate Davis, COO
  • John Curran, President & CEO
  • Leslie Nobile, Director, Registration Services

Counsel:

  • Stephen M. Ryan, ESQ

Absent:

  • Owen DeLong (OD)
  • Heather Schiller (HS)

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:05 p.m. EDT. The presence of quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for any comments. The Chair welcomed John Curran as the new President of ARIN.

John Curran requested making a statement to the AC at this time. He thanked the AC for the great job they are doing. He stated, on behalf of the ARIN Board, that the AC continues to focus on making good policy; and, that the Board will continue to fully support the AC in that effort.

3. Approval of the Minutes

It was moved by PA and seconded by BD that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of June 18, 2009, as written."

The motion carried with no objections.

4. Statement from the ARIN President and CEO

Discussed above.

LR joined the call at this time (4:09 p.m. EDT).

5. Draft Policy 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6 Assignment

LR was unable to connect with SH, but stated that she will revise the text to apply less broadly, so that loopholes may be diminished. She stated she will propose the text to the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML). The Chair cautioned to be aware of the Policy Development Process (PDP) deadlines.

6. Draft Policy 2008-7: Identify Invalid WHOIS POC's

This Draft Policy was ratified by the ARIN Board at their meeting on July 1, 2009. John Curran stated the implementation date for this policy is forthcoming. As soon as the timeline is provided by staff, he will report it to the AC. He stated that ARIN on-line will also be utilized.

MA joined at this time (4:13 p.m. EDT).

7. Draft Policy 2009-3 (Global Policy Proposal): Allocation of IPv4 Blocks to Regional Internet Registries

SL stated that he updated the AC's Wiki with text regarding designating space to return. He stated this draft policy is ready to move forward to the PPML, and to the ARIN Public Policy Meeting (ARIN PPM) in October.

8. Proposal #84: IPv6 Multiple Discrete Networks

The Chair stated that the shepherds were unavailable to provide an update, but that this proposal was ready to move forward.

It was moved by LR and seconded by BD that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the text, "IPv6 Multiple Discrete Networks", selects it as a Draft Policy for adoption discussion on the Public Policy Mailing List, and at the upcoming ARIN Public Policy Meeting."

The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call vote.

9. Proposal #87: Extend 16 bit ASN Assignments

MA spoke with Leslie Nobile and ARIN staff and stated that in 2010 ARIN will start using the pool assigning the smallest number first. Given this information, MA stated she would withdraw this proposal as it has become a moot point.

It was moved by MA and seconded by PA to abandon Proposal #87: Extend 16 bit ASN Assignments.

The Chair called for discussion. DF asked about the petition clause being available to the community. John Curran explained that the text regarding the ability to petition will automatically be generated with the announcement.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

ARIN Counsel joined at this time (4:21 p.m. EDT).

10. Proposal #89: (Global) Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks (ASNs) to Regional Internet Registries

SH stated that this proposal was moving forward in other regions and is on the AC's docket. She requested staff and legal review in order to move it to draft policy status and have it on the agenda for the ARIN PPM in October.

The Chair advised SH to send him an email request, and he would facilitate the next steps.

11. Proposal #90: Open Access to IPv6

CA requested staff and legal review in order to move this proposal to draft policy status and have it on the agenda for the ARIN PPM in October.

The Chair advised CA to send him an email request, and he would facilitate the next steps.

12. Proposal #93: Predicable IPv4 Run Out by Prefix Size

DF stated that updated text was posted to the AC's Wiki. He and LB will discuss whether or not to merge this proposal with #94. He stated there had not been much discussion on the PPML, and would try to initiate discussion to see what the community thinks this idea. 

13. Proposal #94: Predictable IPv4 Run Out by Allocation Window

LB stated there was less discussion on this proposal on the PPML; and, agreed with DF to try to spark discussion again and bring closure to either merging this with #93, or abandon it.

14. Proposal #95: Customer Confidentiality

Work on this proposal is deferred to after the ARIN Public Policy Meeting in October. PA notified the author, and he was amenable to this action.

15. Proposal #96: Transfer Listing Service

It was moved by SL and seconded by RS that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled, "Transfer Listing Service", accepts it onto the AC's docket."

The Chair called for discussion. SL stated there were some comments on the PPML regarding whether ARIN should have a transfer listing service, and more discussion will take place at the ARIN PPM.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

16. Proposal #97: Waiting List for Unmet IPv4 Requests

It was moved by SL and seconded by BD that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled, "Waiting List for Unmet IPv4 Requests", accepts it onto the AC's docket."

The Chair called for discussion. SL stated there were some revisions to be made, once on the docket. SH stated that there were many policies on the AC's docket. She did not feel this one was crucial, since the community needs to discussion listing services. She suggested this proposal be deferred until after the ARIN PPM in October. LR agreed.

The Chair reiterated that if the AC decides not to present a proposal in October, it will be announced on the PPML and people could petition it. John Curran suggested the AC officially defer the proposal in order to notify the community as soon as possible.

The Chair suggested that SH may want to amend the motion made to defer it to a draft policy after the ARIN PPM. SL refuted, stating that this proposal clarified several transfer issues; and felt it important that it move forward. Looking at what the proposal does, and what happens if it is not in place at exhaustion, he felt it better to have it in place as clarification of what ARIN is going to do.

BD did not feel it needed to be deferred. DF stated the proposal was in line with how we are going to exhaust IPv4, and several other related issues the AC is working on. He felt it timely to move it forward at this time.

The motion carried with 9 in favor, and four against (JS, SH, LR, RS) via roll call.

17. Editorial Update to the IPv6 Section of the Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM)

Exhibit A attached.  John Curran explained that there has been precedence in the past where the NRPM has been revised for clarity per staff.  Edits have been made before with clean up on the NRPM in past, and that this was not a material change to the NRPM.

The AC concurred that this was not a substantial policy matter, and agreed with the administrative edit. John Curran explained that this edit will be presented to the Board and they will enact the change.

It was moved by BD and seconded by DF that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the edits to the NRPM in Exhibit A, finds they are not substantial in nature, and recommends they be adopted by the ARIN Board of Trustees."

The Chair called for discussion. The AC reviewed the Exhibit. LB brought up a procedural point, stating that the AC moves to adopt the edits and the Board adopts them, but the PPML finds out about the changes after the fact.  He felt it would be better if the PPML saw an announcement that the AC was performing editorial updates and provide the PPML with a very short Last Call period.

John Curran explained that it was the sense of the Board to have staff determine if the edits were editorial vs. operational in nature, and then have the AC confirm it. That is the check and balance. He stated that if the AC does not feel it is editorial in nature then it should not be sent to the Board for adoption.  The AC can certainly send it to a wider audience before it goes to the Board. He cautioned the AC not to recommend Board adoption if they were unsure.

DF stated that he somewhat agreed it would be nice if the public knows of it beforehand.  John Curran reiterated that the AC can do that if they so chose.

BD stated that the new diagram is far superior, but he felt that posting to the PPML with another message which needs to have an image attached to it would be burdensome for the community. SL felt it would be sufficient as it stands, since the Exhibit will be posted with the Minutes.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

18. Any Other Business

  • NomCom Volunteers. The Chair announced that CA and OD had volunteered to be on the NomCom for the upcoming ARIN elections and thanked them for volunteering.
  • Proposal Timeline. The Chair stated that any shepherds with proposals that they want to have ready for the ARIN PPM in October please revisit the timeline provided by ARIN staff. Einar Bohlin stated he would provide an update of the timeline to the AC's list on 7/18/09.
  • ARIN Legal Matters. Counsel provided an attorney/client privileged update on ARIN legal matters.

19. Adjournment

The Chair adjourned the meeting at 4:51 p.m. EDT.