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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, 23 August 2007
Teleconference

Minutes

Attendees:

  • Marla Azinger (MA), Chair    
  • Dan Alexander (DA)                
  • Paul Andersen (PA)                 
  • Cathy Aronson (CA)
  • Leo Bicknell (LB)                    
  • Bill Darte (BD)                     
  • Matt Pounsett (MP)                
  • Lea Roberts (LR)                    
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)              
  • Heather Schiller (HS)               
  • Stacy Taylor (ST)                     
  • Suzanne Woolf (SW)    

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin, (EB) Policy Analyst
  • Therese Colosi, Scribe
  • John Curran (JC), Chairman of the Board of Trustees
  • Nate Davis (ND), COO
  • Richard Jimmerson (RJ), CIO
  • Ray Plzak (RP), President & CEO

ARIN Counsel:

  • Stephen M. Ryan

Apologies:

  • Ron da Silva
  • Alec Peterson
  • Alex Rubenstein

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:04 p.m. EDT. The presence of quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

3. Approval of the Minutes 

CA moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of July 19, 2007 as written."

This was seconded by LB. The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

4. Report from the Board

JC provided a report from the Board to the AC. He updated the AC on the Board's various thoughts on the topics of IPv4 rundown, the possibility of a market for such, and the ability to reclaim unused IPv4 address space. He urged the AC to not to let the Board's stated views nor any preconceived views on ARIN's ability to enforce policies constrain the AC's recommendations, as the Board is looking to the AC for their independent thoughts on these matters.

JC and RP left the call at this time (4:36 p.m.).

5.  Future Actions of the AC

The Chair updated the AC on her experience at the IETF in Chicago recently. She stated that people wanted to discuss policy proposals and the issue of a market for IPv4. The Chair wanted the AC to be prepared for questions from the community at the upcoming ARIN meeting. She stated members of other registries approached her on the topic of a potential market, and that there are many opinions on the topic. The Chair clarified that since there is no consensus within the AC on these issues, no one should be speaking as an "AC member" regarding the market issue.

Due to this, and the many proposals before the AC, she stated the AC will have an AC retreat on the Tuesday afternoon of the week during NANOG. The Chair stated she is working on any scheduling conflicts so that all AC members can attend.  She stated she wanted the AC to have complete understanding of all the policy proposals on the table, and take time to address v4 to v6 issues.

6.  Policy Proposal 2006-7: Changes to IPv6 Initial Allocation Criteria

LR reported that there were no updates from the author on this proposal.

7. Policy Proposal 2007-13: Policy Proposal Removal of ISP Immediate Need from End-User.

ST reported that there were 2 posts on the PPML in favor of the policy, and one from Owen. She speculated the policy should move forward in October.

8.  Policy Proposal: 2007-14: Resource Review Process

LB reported that there were some PPML posts with language clarifications. He asked the authors if they wanted to make minor edits. The staff impact statement will be key to how the public perceives this and should be shared with the authors.

9. Policy Proposal: 2007-15: Authentication of Legacy Resources

No report available at this time.

10.  Policy Proposal: IPv4 Soft Landing.

BD moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "IPv4 Soft Landing ", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by MP. The Chair called for discussion.  BD stated there had not been much further comment on the proposal, and most comments posted on PPML were in favor of this idea. LB felt there was a split however, and didn't feel it was ready. Discussion ensued with opinions expressed on whether or not it was ready to move forward. 

The motion carried with 9 in favor and 3 against (DA, LB, ST) via roll call.

11. Policy Proposal: Legacy Outreach and Partial Reclamation

LR moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "Legacy Outreach and Partial Reclamation ", accepts it with edits as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by SW. The Chair called for discussion. LR stated she had spoken with the author and that he understands the specific fee language is inappropriate and will edit it. He is open to comments, and to the idea of a reward for returning address space.

The motion carried with ten in favor and 2 against (LB, ST) via roll call.

12. Policy Proposal: Global Policy for the Allocation of the Remaining IPv4 Address Space

MP moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "Global Policy for the Allocation of the Remaining IPv4 Address Space ", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by PA. The Chair called for discussion. MP stated that in the Rationale section the author is unclear about the relationship being RIR to LIR instead of IANA to RIR, but felt that can be edited easily. LB stated there were no posts on PPML for support, several were against it.

RP rejoined the call at this time (5:23p.m.).

The motion carried with 7 in favor and 5 against (DA, PA, LB, RS, ST) via roll call.

13. Policy Proposal: IANA Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks to RIRs

DA moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "IANA Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks to RIRs ", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by BD. The Chair called for discussion. DA stated there were no posts on the PPML. The Chair stated there was an issue from the staff assessment regarding previous ASN's assigned having to be justified and that it was not clarified in this proposal. She stated that would need to be addressed at some point.

RP stated that all 5 RIRs must approve exactly the same language and if the ARIN community thinks it needs editing, the ARIN community should say so.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

14. Policy Proposal: Definition of Known ISP and Changes to IPv6 Initial Allocation Criteria.

PA moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "Definition of Known ISP and Changes to IPv6 Initial Allocation Criteria ", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by MP. The Chair called for discussion. PA stated renaming LIR to ISP is an issue and that LB's proposal should cover this. LB stated his proposal states a global change of ISP to LIR. PA argued that only specific sections are stated. LB clarified that the change would cover everything with a very small list of exceptions.

The Chair felt that the posted revisions with regard to WHOIS and the language were not strong enough.  Discussion ensued on making edits and on allocation versus assignments.

PA moved to change the motion to read "with edits".  The new motion reads:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "Definition of Known ISP and Changes to IPv6 Initial Allocation Criteria ", accepts it with edits as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by MP.  The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

15. Policy Proposal: PI v6 for Legacy Holders with RSA and Efficient Use

SW moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "PI v6 for Legacy Holders with RSA and Efficient Use ", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by LR. The Chair called for discussion. SW felt it is a clear and good idea. LB did not like the idea, but was for the motion.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

16. Policy Proposal: Expand Timeframe of Additional Requests

MA moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "Expand Timeframe of Additional Requests ", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by BD. The Chair called for discussion. The Chair stated she had sent a review on this proposal to the AC and had the pulled pros and cons. MP felt it was good idea and well written.

The motion carried eleven in favor and one abstention (DA) via roll call.

17. Policy Proposal: End Policy for IANA IPv4 Allocations to RIRs

DA moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled " End Policy for IANA IPv4 Allocations to RIRs ", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by MP. The Chair called for discussion.  Opinions were expressed on whether the proposal should be indicated as a global policy proposal or not. It was the sense of the AC that the motion stand.

The motion carried with eleven in favor and 1 against (SW) via roll call.

BD left the call at this time (5:59 p.m.) temporarily.

18. Policy Proposal: IPv6 Assignment Guidelines

RS moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "IPv6 Assignment Guidelines ", postpones the decision on the proposal in order for the shepherds to work with the author."

This was seconded by ST. The Chair called for discussion. LB stated he had submitted revisions based on Ed Lewis' language, and added Ed as a co-sponsor of the policy. He was aware of that from reviewing the PPML posts, but was not open to a friendly amendment because he had not had an opportunity to read it yet.

The motion carried with 7 in favor, 3 against (MA, CA, LR), and 2 abstentions (LB, BD) via roll call.

MP suggested that the announcement needed to state that the AC did not have enough time to read the proposal.

19. Policy Proposal: ISP to LIR Clarification

HR moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "ISP to LIR Clarification ", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by PA. The Chair called for discussion. LB stated that there was not a lot of support on the PPML. He asked if the AC could say it was not a policy matter, and recommend that the ARIN Board direct staff to make changes to the NRPM.

The Chair suggested inputting this into the NRPM. RP stated that the AC could ‘not accept' the proposal and send it to the NRPM for edits, to be completed by ARIN staff.  The AC could create a NRPM Committee, and provide advice to the Board.

The Chair called for any objections to this suggestion. There were no objections. The Chair asked HS to withdraw the motion and submit a new one.

HS moved to withdraw the previous motion.

This was seconded by PA.

HS moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council moves this proposal into the NRPM process."

This was seconded by SW.

The motion carried with 11 in favor and 1 abstention (LB) via roll call.

HS left at this time (6:13 p.m.).

20. Policy Proposal: IPv6 Policy Housekeeping

LR moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "IPv6 Policy Housekeeping", accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by ST. The Chair called for discussion. Discussion ensued on editing this proposal because it contained NRPM related material in addition to policy related material. It was the sense of the AC that the proposal be postponed for editing and separating the different types of matter (NRPM/policy).

LR moved to withdraw her previous motion.

This was seconded by ST.

LR moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "IPv6 Policy Housekeeping", postpones the decision on the proposal in order for the shepherds to work with the author."

This was seconded by ST.

The motion carried with ten in favor, and 1abstention (LB) via roll call.

21. Policy Proposal: Decreasing Exponential Rationing of IPv4 IP Addresses

DA moved:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled, "Decreasing Exponential Rationing of IPv4 IP Addresses", does not accept this proposal because it presents an approach, rather than defines a policy. There are no details around how or where it adds to, or alters, the current version of the NRPM, and the AC requests that the President advise the author of the availability of the petition process."

This was seconded by CA. The Chair called for discussion. DA stated there was overwhelming opinion on PPML that there was nothing in this proposal on which to work and that no variables defined. He stated that feedback from author was dismissive. MP stated it is a description of an approach, but not a policy statement.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

22. EGLOP Update

The Chair stated there was no update available at this time. BD suggested closing this topic.  All agreed.

ND left call at this time (6:36 p.m.).

23. IPv6 Panel for NANOG 41

CA stated that this was not a "v6 Panel", but a "v4 Depletion Discussion Panel". She stated that LB and she submitted this to NANOG, it is being considered and they are asking us how long ARIN would need. She stated she and LB are still looking for a small-ISP person to be on the panel and a vendor.

She also stated she had submitted Gert Doering's IPv6 routing table presentation to NANOG and it was accepted.  CA then discussed the Routing Table Panel Discussion for the ARIN meeting.

24. Any Other Business

The Chair called for any other business. She stated that the AC needed to discuss the emails for the announcements for postponement. She asked for volunteers to stay on the phone and discuss this after the meeting adjourned.

25. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 6:40 p.m. EDT.  ST moved to adjourn and this was seconded by CA.  The motion carried unanimously.