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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, 19 July 2007
Teleconference

Minutes

Attendees:

  • Marla Azinger (MA), Chair
  • Dan Alexander (DA)
  • Paul Andersen (PA) 
  • Leo Bicknell (LB)                    
  • Bill Darte (BD)                        
  • Alec Peterson (AP)                  
  • Matt Pounsett (MP)                 
  • Lea Roberts (LR)                     
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)              
  • Heather Schiller (HS)               
  • Stacy Taylor (ST)           
  • Suzanne Woolf (SW)    

ARIN Staff:

  • Therese Colosi, Scribe
  • Einar Bohlin, (EB) Policy Analyst
  • Nate Davis (ND), Director of Operations
  • Leslie Nobile (LN), Director of Registration Services
  • Ray Plzak (RP), President & CEO ARIN

ARIN Counsel:

  • Stephen Ryan

Apologies:

  • Cathy Aronson

Absent:

  • Ron da Silva
  • Alex Rubenstein

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:07 p.m. EDT.  The presence of quorum was noted. She thanked everyone for their time and apologized for delay in getting agenda to the AC for this call due to schedule constraints.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for any comments. BD stated he wanted to comment on IPv4 to IPv6 migration proposal he has been working on. The Chair added it under Any Other Business.

3. Approval of the Minutes  

 BD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of April 24, 2007 as written."

This was seconded by ST. The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

AP moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of May 17, 2007 as written."

This was seconded by BD. The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

BD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of June 21, 2007 as written."

This was seconded by ST. The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

4. Policy Proposal 2006-7: Changes to IPv6 Initial Allocation Criteria

LR stated that there was no update at this time.

5.   Policy Proposal 2007-13: Policy Proposal Removal of ISP Immediate Need from End-User

ST stated that there was no update at this time.

6.  Discussion of Initial Review Process

Chair asked if the AC reviewed the process. She asked if anyone has any questions. LB stated he posted minor edits to the AC's list, adding to the process that the shepherd should respond w/in one business day, and grammatical changes. BD stated he preferred the term ‘forward', ‘edit', or ‘return it to the author'. SW stated she too posted to the AC list that want people to state pro or con and reasoning.  The Chair stated the wording currently work w/author has been changed to postpone the decision and why to clarify that to the community. RP stated that is also in Robert's Rules of Order, and it forces the AC to take the matter up at their next meeting and then accept or not accept the proposal.

Chair asked AC to review the suggested motions that were listed in the process and asked if the AC would use them as guidelines for the applicable proposals listed in this agenda for this meeting.

She also asked the AC to craft what will go into the email announcement for each proposal.

Counsel joined at this time (4:18 p.m. EDT).

She thanked the AC member's who had provided input to the email template, and moved further discussion to the AC's list.

PA joined at this time (4:30 p.m EDT)

7. Policy Proposal: IPv4 Soft Landing

BD stated he didn't know if there was a need for a motion for this proposal. He is in contact with the author, David Conrad. The last discussion DC was going to refine it per the PPML comments, ARIN Staff and Counsel. BD forwarded the detailed staff assessment to DC and asked if he wanted to continue.  DC has not responded yet. RP stated that BD could move to postpone a decision on it for the record.

BD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled  ‘IPv4 Soft Landing', postpones the decision on the proposal pending further interaction with the author determining whether he wants to produce another edit or abandon it."

This was seconded by SW. The Chair called for discussion. There were no further comments.

The Chair called for any objections to the motion. There were no objections.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

8.  Policy Proposal: Reclamation of Number Resources

LB moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled ‘Reclamation of Number Resources', accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by BD.  The Chair called for discussion. LB provided updates stating that the latest version, #3, was posted to the PPML on July 17, 2007. The original proposal showed small support. The newly revised proposal received fairly limited comment. The authors have addressed most of the staff assessment issues. LB felt the proposal was ready to move forward.

Discussion ensued on Section 2 C. regarding periodic review. The Chair recommended LB discuss it with the authors. ND stated another staff assessment of this issue will be conducted.

The Chair asked LB if he wanted to keep the motion as stated. LB stated that he did want to keep the motion as stated. BD reiterated his second on the motion.

The motion carried with 9 in favor and 3 against (DA, PA, HS) via roll call.

RP stated that an announcement would be sent Tuesday July 24, 2007 to the PPML.

9. Policy Proposal: Authentication of Legacy Resources

LR moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled ‘Authentication of Legacy Resources', accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by MP. The Chair called for any discussion. Discussion ensued between the AC and Counsel on clarification of the impact on IP routing.

SW had provided text edits to the AC's list prior to the meeting. The Chair asked if SW's wording needed to be added before moving this forward. LB stated wording could be added from ARIN Staff to the community in their staff assessment, but not as part of the policy. All agreed.

The motion carried with 9 in favor and 3 against (DA, RS, ST) via roll call.

10.  Policy Proposal: Legacy Outreach and Partial Reclamation.

AP moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled ‘Legacy Outreach and Partial Reclamation', accepts it as written as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by LR.  The Chair called for any comments. Discussion ensued on what this proposal offered in lieu of the current policy. DA felt this proposal complicated what is currently in existence.  SW supported DA's opinion.

The Chair asked if it was worth going back to the author and address amnesty clarification only. AP stated it would be worth asking the author.

AP then withdrew his motion, and LR stated her second was withdrawn as well. The Chair confirmed that the motion was withdrawn.

AP then moved that:

The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposal entitled "Legacy Outreach and Partial Reclamation", postpones the decision on the proposal in order for the shepherds to work with the author.

This was seconded by RS. The Chair called for any further discussion. It was the sense of the AC that the decision to postpone was to address the minor corrections needed in the amnesty policy.

The motion carried unanimously via roll call.

11. ARIN Staff Policy Implementation Experience Report

RP stated three items were reported on:

  • V6 end user assignments 6.5.8 –
  • NRPM 6.5.1 reported by LN on Sunday at ARIN meeting in P.R.
  • NRPM section 9

He reviewed the recommendations with the AC. He stated some items in the first two bullets above are contained in the edits of Item 15 below.  RP stated the AC may want to recommend policy work, and they can propose that at their next meeting. The Chair stated it would be discussed on the AC's list.

12. EGLOP Update

BD stated that in his last email to author he had asked if the author had a continuing interest in this topic or if the author wanted to withdraw his participation. BD has not received an answer from the author.  RP stated that the author was the only person to formally request time at last open policy hour and did not show up to discuss it. The Chair stated she would try to get an answer.

13. IPv6 Panel for NANOG 41

LB stated that CA recruited him to lead the panel, and slides are being prepared on the potential for v4 exhaustion, and the impact of that to v6. 

RP stated that the term "exhaustion" does not describe the situation. He stated that the issue is about the depletion of the IANA pool; and, the ability of the RIRs to assign contiguous blocks of v4 space. He stated that all needed to be aware of the terms they used when discussing this issue.

14. Number Policy Operational Guidelines (NPOG) Status

PA stated he needed to leave the call at this time (5:17 p.m. EDT.)  RP stated that he provided a report on the AC's list. He stated that Richard Jimmerson will be working on documents to provide to CA to work on.

15. Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) Edits

A. NRPM Global Editorial Change: ‘ISP' to ‘LIR' Clarification. The NRPM is inconsistent.  The terms ISP and LIR are used interchangeably throughout the document, with the term ISP being predominant in the IPv4 sections and the term LIR being predominant in the IPv6 sections. This editorial change will remove these inconsistencies. 

RP commented that with regard to ‘C', below, many items may not require policy, but some may. He recommended identifying them and forwarding the ones for edits to the ARIN Board; then for the AC to work on the ones that needed policy. He suggested a task force be formed within the AC, but may that it preclude the proposals from being introduced into the next ARIN meeting in October.

The Chair asked for shepherds for this project, and stated that an update could be provided in October. MP, BD, volunteered. RP volunteered EB and RJ from ARIN.

B. Removal of Guideline Information from NRPM.  The existing section 6.5.4.1 provides operational guideline information. It should be removed from the NRPM and moved to the NPOG. Discussed above under ‘A'.

C. Editorial Changes to the NRPM, Section 6. When the IPv6 policy was passed, it was considered to be an "interim" policy, and it was intended to be similar in all five of the RIR's.  Since that time it has become clear the policy is no longer interim (and proposal 2007-4 was passed to change just that) and it has also been modified separately in the different RIR's.

It was brought to the ARIN AC's attention that there were a number of problems with "Section 6" of the NRPM. Discussed above under ‘A'.

16. Any Other Business

BD updated the AC on the v4 to v6 migration proposal. He stated the author has changed it significantly and suggested that ARIN encourage v4 to v6 allocation. BD encouraged and asked AC members to read the link BD provided to their list; and, send BD comments via email. He stated it is complicated, and has operational details, but he wanted the AC's feedback. The author is serious about forwarding something to the PPML.

RP stated that if any AC member would be attending the IETF, Sunday morning an IEPG meeting will be held with a presentation similar to the one given to ICANN and IGF on v4 depletion. He stated this would be followed by other interesting presentations on v6 and v4.

The Chair called for any further discussions. There were no comments.

17. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 5:25 p.m. EDT. MP moved to adjourn and this was seconded by RS.  The motion carried unanimously.