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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, 17 May 2007
Teleconference

Minutes

Attendees:

  • Ron da Silva (RD) Vice Chair
  • Dan Alexander (DA)
  • Bill Darte (BD)
  • Alec Peterson (AP)
  • Lea Roberts (LR)
  • Alex Rubenstein (AR)
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)
  • Heather Schiller (HS)
  • Stacy Taylor (ST)
  • Suzanne Woolf (SW)

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin (EB), Policy Analyst
  • Therese Colosi, Scribe
  • Nate Davis (ND), Director of Operations
  • Richard Jimmerson (RJ), Director of External Relations
  • Leslie Nobile (LN), Director of Registration Services
  • Ray Plzak (RP), President & CEO

ARIN Counsel:

  • Stephen Ryan

Apologies:

  • Marla Azinger
  • Paul Andersen
  • Cathy Aronson

Absent:

  • Matt Pounsett
  • Leo Bicknell

1. Welcome

The Vice Chair called the meeting to order at 4:03 p.m. PDT. The presence of a quorum was noted, as well as the absence of the Chair due to a schedule conflict.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Vice Chair called for any comments.  There were no comments.

3. Policy Proposal 2007-11: Refinement of ISP Initial Allocation Policy. 

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIX Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2007-11."

This was seconded by SW. The Vice Chair called for any comments.  There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

4. Policy Proposal 2007-1: Reinstatement of PGP Authentication Method

BD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIX Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2007-1."

This was seconded by ST. The Vice Chair called for any comments. RS joined at this time (4:11 p.m.)
ND explained that what is currently in last call is a policy with the crypt auth and chain of trust statements still intact.

Counsel stated the statements in the policy were an area of concern, but stated the AC needs to decide whether to change it or not, due to the potential liability of the language.

RP joined at this time (4:13 p.m.).

Counsel recommended that if the AC wanted to change the language they should make a motion to modify the language and accept that motion.  Then the AC could make a motion to forward the policy as modified and accept that motion.

BD suggested a second amendment to the motion above to:

"Remove ‘crypt-auth' language, and remove the language that states that ARIN shall ‘validate that a chain of trust not longer than five steps exists'."

This was seconded by ST.  The Vice Chair called for any discussion on the first motion stated. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

The Vice Chair then called any discussion on amendment to the motion. SW supported the amendment, stating that the removing this language is operationally-oriented and directed to staff; and that it is an implementation detail.  All agreed.

The motion carried unanimously.

5.  Policy Proposal 2007-2: Documentation of the Mail-From Authentication Method

BD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIX Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2007-2."

This was seconded by ST. The Vice Chair called for any comments.  There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

6.  Policy Proposal 2007-3: Documentation of the X.509 Authentication Method. 

BD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIX Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2007-3."

This was seconded by ST. The Vice Chair called for any comments. No comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

7. Policy Proposal 2007-8: Transfer Policy Clarifications.

HS moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIX Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2007-8."

This was seconded by BD. The Vice Chair called for any comments. HS stated there was an amendment on this at last call and it has been incorporated.

The motion carried unanimously.

8.  Policy Proposal 2007-4: Changes to IPv6 Policy - Removal of "Interim" Consideration.

DA moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIX Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2007-4."

This was seconded by BD. The Vice Chair called for any comments.  There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

9. Policy Proposal 2007-9: Modernization of ISP Immediate Need Policy

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIX Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2007-9."

This was seconded by BD. The Vice Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

10. Policy Proposal 2007-7: Creation of Policy for Subsequent End-User IP Requests/Assignments.

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIX Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2007-7."

This was seconded by RS. The Vice Chair called for any comments. AR commented that there was no communication on the PPML and received none personally. There was an amendment on this at last call and it has been incorporated.

The motion carried with 9 in favor and 1 abstention (AR).

11. Policy Proposal Reclamation of Number Resources.

ST commented that support is there, edits need to be done, and the authors agreed to work with the AC and make changes to the policy.

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposed policy entitled, ‘Reclamation of Number Resources', accepts the text as submitted by the author as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number; and, desires to work with the author to revise the policy proposal entitled ‘Reclamation of Number Resources'."

This was seconded by AR. The Vice Chair called for discussion. Discussion ensued on the way the motion was stated. It was the sense of the AC that they work with the author to revise the proposal and then submit the final product for a formal policy proposal number.

ST withdrew motion above and moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposed policy entitled, ‘Reclamation of Number Resources', desires to work with the author to revise policy proposal ‘Reclamation of Number Resources'."

This was seconded by RS. The Vice Chair called for any comments. No further comments.

The motion carried unanimously.

12. Policy Proposal Removal of ISP Immediate Need.

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposed policy entitled, ‘Removal of ISP Immediate Need', accepts the text as submitted by the author as a formal policy proposal; and, requests the President assign it a formal policy proposal number."

This was seconded by AR. The Vice Chair called for any comments. BD asked if there were comments on PPML. RS stated that this is a follow-up to proposal written before to remove contradictory language.

The motion carried unanimously.

13. Policy Proposal IPv4 Soft Landing

BD stated he had sent a post to the AC's list indicating there were many posts on the PPML regarding this policy proposal. He reviewed ARIN staff comments and asked if Counsel did not have a legal view at this time. ND stated the proposal would not be forwarded to Counsel until ARIN had a solid text to warrant Counsel's review. BD thanked him for clarification.

BD stated the author is willing to edit the proposal based on the comments on the PPML. He further stated that there were also considerations to abandon the proposal due to liabilities, impracticalities and the implications to ARIN staff regarding workload.

BD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, having reviewed the proposed policy entitled, ‘IPv4 Soft Landing', desires to work with the author to revise policy proposal ‘IPv4 Soft Landing'."

This was seconded by SW. The Vice Chair called for any comments.  SW was concerned that people were not distinguishing between the things members can tell ARIN to do, what the community can tell ARIN to do and things that are beyond of the scope of ARIN's mission. She felt revisions will be challenging but that the proposal should not be abandoned.  She also stated the need to decide if action needs to be taken in the IRPEP and supported a lot of discussion in this area. AR agreed.

BD requested Counsel to review the proposal before editing began, with regard to 3rd party audits and other items. RP requested the AC to send him specific questions addressing the topics they wished Counsel to review and he would contact Counsel.

The Vice Chair stated that, as moved, the proposed policy would not be sent to the PPML, but would be worked on with the author to revise for further review by the AC, based on comments from the PPML.  He wanted the AC to be clear on this point.

RP stated that, even if this proposed policy is rejected, the AC can craft its own policy as well to present to the community.

The Vice Chair called for any further discussion. There was no further discussion.

The motion carried unanimously.

14. AC Website Supplements

A. AC Mailing List Archive.  RP provided update stating that ARIN needs to move the archives and set up password access for the AC to access mailing list archives.

B. Photos.  Discussion ensued on what the purpose would be of posting photos: to update photos on the AC's page to accompany the AC name list; or as a photo drop? BD suggested this be discussed on the AC's list. All agreed.

15. NANOG Panel

The Vice Chair explained that the Chair had stated this panel is not ready for the upcoming NANOG meeting in Bellevue, WA. However, CA is working on this for possible implementation at the next NANOG meeting in the fall.

16. Any Other Business

The Vice Chair called for any other business. ND stated in regard to Policy Proposal 2007-1, that at the AC's last meeting, staff did not hear the amendment made. He asked the AC to please review the minutes of that meeting with regard to the supposed amendment.

17. Adjournment

Vice Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 5:10 p.m. EDT.  ST moved to adjourn and this was seconded by RD. The motion carried unanimously.