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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Thursday, 21 October 2004
Reston, VA

Minutes

Attendees:

  • Alec Peterson, Chair (AP)
  • Bill Darte, Vice Chair (BD)
  • Paul Andersen (PA)
  • Leo Bicknell (LB)
  • Ron da Silva (RD)
  • Andrew Dul (AD)
  • Sanford H. George (SG)
  • Mark Kosters (MK)
  • Lea Roberts (LR)
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)
  • John Sweeting (JS)
  • Stacy Taylor (ST)
  • Suzanne Woolf (SW)

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin (EB), Policy Analyst
  • Therese Colosi, Recording Secretary
  • Nate Davis (ND), Director of Operations
  • Ray Plzak (RP), President & CEO

ARIN Board:

  • Scott Bradner, Secretary
  • Lee Howard, Treasurer

ARIN Counsel:

  • Stephen Ryan

Apologies:

  • Kevin Martin
  • Cathy Wittbrodt

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 5:42 p.m. EDT. Roll call was taken, and the Chair noted the presence of a quorum.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair stated he would like to add a discussion regarding the AC's attendance at other RIR meetings adding this as Item 11A under Any Other Business. The Chair called for any other comments. AD requested adding a discussion on Publishing Netblocks. The Chair added this as Item 11B. BD requested a discussion on input to Scott Bradner's drafting of ARIN's proposal for recommendation process. This was added as Item 11C. BD also requested adding a discussion on the procedure by which proposals are presented at the podium during the ARIN meetings. This was added as Item 11D, AC presentation procedure.

The Chair then asked EB to brief the AC on the menu of suggested motions which was provided for reference during this meeting. It was explained that the suggested motions are pertinent to this part of the policy evaluation process. Another set of suggested motions apply to the Last Call review stage and will be provided at that time.

3. Formal Approval of the Minutes of August 25, 2004

MK moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council adopts the Minutes of August 25, 2004 as written."

This was seconded by ST. The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments. The motion passed unanimously by show of hands.

4. Formal Approval of the Minutes of September 27, 2004

AD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council adopts the Minutes of September 27, 2004 as written."

This was seconded by ST. The Chair called for any comments. There were no comments. The motion passed unanimously by show of hands.

5. Discussion of Policy Proposal 2004-3 Global Addresses for Private Network Inter-Connectivity

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIV Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, will work with the author to revise Policy Proposal 2004-3."

This was seconded by MK. The Chair called for comments. Discussion ensued with the AC expressing their thoughts on consensus and edits that needed to be made The Chair stated that he would work with Marla Azinger to revise the text of the policy proposal and noted that during the public policy meeting, there was consensus for this to be done. MK stated that two modifications needed to be discussed; labeling private networks as such in directory services (WHOIS) and, reverse delegation.

The Chair reviewed who was on the AC discussion group for this issue listing CJW, ST, BD, RS and MK as the group. He requested that CJW and BD take the lead.

BD suggested adding a statement that clarifies existing policy in the appropriate place in the Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM).

Scott Bradner stated a process suggestion that the AC work with the author to make the edits and then post it to the PPML for people to be able to agree if that is indeed what they voted for.

The Chair called for any other comments. There were no comments. The motion carried unanimously by show of hands.

The Chair called for a 10 minute break at 6:37 p.m. EDT. The Chair reconvened the meeting at 6:47 p.m. EDT.

6. Discussion of Policy Proposal 2004-5 Address Space for Multiple Discrete Networks

AD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIV Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, finds community support for Policy Proposal 2004-5 as is."

This was seconded by RS. The Chair called for discussion. AD and BD suggested an amendment to modify paragraph 4 to replace the "must not have /20" with "must not have address space available equal to ARIN's minimum allocation." RS seconded the amendment. Ray Plzak requested making a reference to the text being replaced in the NRPM.

The Chair called for any other comments. There were no comments. The motion carried unanimously by show of hands.

7. Discussion of Policy Proposal 2004-6 Privacy of Reassignment Information

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIV Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, abandons Policy Proposal 2004-6."

This was seconded by MK. Chair called for comments. EB provided a summary from the mailing list to the AC that there were two posts against this proposal and no further posts.

The Chair called for any other comments. There were no comments. The motion carried unanimously by show of hands.

8. Discussion of Policy Proposal 2004-7 Residential Customer Privacy Policy

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIV Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, abandons Policy Proposal 2004-7."

This was seconded by LB. The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments. The motion carried unanimously by show of hands.

9. Discussion of Policy Proposal 2004-8 Allocation of IPv6 Address Space by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy to Regional Internet Registries

LR moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIV Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, will work with the author to revise Policy Proposal 2004-8."

This was seconded by PA. The Chair called for discussion. Discussion ensued and it was decided to form a discussion group and move this forward on the list with any input from other RIRs. Scott Bradner suggested the AC compose a message summarizing the discussion for the others RIRs to use in their own discussions, and not move this forward in any form. It was noted that there was strong consensus for allocations larger than /23. It was noted that during the public policy meeting John Curran had suggested sending this proposal to the AC to be rewritten, and then forward it to Ray Plzak and the PPML as soon as possible. JS stated that Ray was to provide the AC with feedback from the other RIRs.

LB stated that there were many people in the public policy meeting who were in favor of allocations on nibble boundaries. LR stated that there was discussion about removing section 4, since it is essentially an administrative matter.

LR asked if Ray Plzak would be part of the discussion list and he said he would be happy to participate. The Chair stated LR was the leader of the discussion group with the other members being BD, AD, CJW, RS, SW.

The motion carried unanimously via show of hands.

10. Review of Open Action Items

JUL04#10 RJ, BD
Defining Utilization.
10/21 Update: No information could be provided at this time. OPEN.

JUL04#11 MSD/AC
Glossary.
10/21 Update: Ray stated it was in his hands and that he would review it and get back to AC. OPEN.

JUL04#12 BD/PA
2004-3 Global Addresses for Private Network Inter-Connectivity. The Chair directed BD and PA, part of the team shepherding this issue, to move it forward.

8/25/04 Update: BD stated that he had sent an inquiry to the AC for comment and also sent email to PA and Marla Azinger. He stated he would have the text by the ARIN meeting in October. CLOSED.

JUL04#13 AC
ARIN's Directory Services. AC to have read Leo's post and discuss online.

8/25/04 Update: All agreed that it should be considered at the AC's next meeting. The AC also agreed to add the subject to the ARIN meeting agenda, as an informational item. LB stated that he had not received feedback either way from a policy perspective. He perceived that as a positive, but noted that no one commented. He stated he would be happy to present the matter at the ARIN meeting. LB volunteered to write a policy proposal for the next ARIN meeting in 2005. RP suggested it could also be discussed in the Policy Proposal BOF at the upcoming ARIN meeting. BD volunteered to help LB if needed. The deadline for this action is Friday, September 3, 2004.

10/21 Update: Good discussion at ARIN XIV. LB felt he could do the policy proposal in the new format. MK requested working on it with him and LB accepted. The Chair requested the AC read the proposal and get feedback out so that it could be presented by the next ARIN meeting.

AD requested ARIN counsel's advice on drafting ARIN's policies so as to comply with privacy laws. Discussion ensued with counsel on privacy laws and their effect on crafting policy. MK suggested getting the idea behind the Directory Services set and submit to counsel to find out if it is legally acceptable first. The Chair called for volunteers other than LB and MK. PA, JS, and AD volunteered. OPEN.

8/25: RP suggested re-printing the article that had been published in the ARIN newsletter.

10/21 Update: The article was reprinted and provided in the packets distributed at this public policy meeting. CLOSED.

JUL04#14 MK
Discussion of POC verification. MK volunteered to champion the issue, and write up text for review before the August 22nd IRPEP deadline.

8/25/04 Update: MK said could not get it done in time for that deadline but would get it to the AC's list ASAP.

10/21/04 Update: MK stated he was still working on it.

JUL04#15 BD/RD/AC
ARIN Number Resource Policy Manual. The Chair stated he would split this task up among the AC and propose what to do. BD volunteered to be the point person. RD to collate the AC's comments. CLOSED.

JUL04#16 ARIN Staff
Information in presentation form or document form on conduct guidelines regarding legal issues.

1021/04 Update: RP provided the update explaining that the Board and AC will be provided a training program and manual in hardcopy and electronic form with regard to Roberts Rules of Order, discussions on role of the AC, etc. He stated that an outline has been drafted. OPEN.

AUG04#17 AC
Discussion of Leo's suggestion of multiple choice policy statements on the AC's list.

10/21/04 Update. Discussion ensued with the Chair encouraging LB to bring up again in future. CLOSED.

11. Any Other Business

A. AC attendance at RIR meetings. Ray Plzak provided an update that there were funds available for two AC members to go to each RIR meeting and that the AC was to select who from the council should attend them. Ray stated that two AC members could attend the two APNIC, RIPE and LACNIC meetings per year, and one AFRINIC meeting per year. He requested that the AC complete a template report after attending the meetings to be used for updating the rest of the Council.

B. Real-time Publishing of Netblocks. AD suggested producing an analysis on how this would affect ARIN staff in cost and time. All agreed with the Chair requesting a few weeks in turnaround time. Nate Davis was tasked with this request.

C. Input to Scott Bradner's drafting of ARIN's proposals for recommendation process. Scott stated that input from the AC was welcome, and that this is a process by which ARIN could speak. BD, SW and AD volunteered to help Scott.

D. AC Presentation Procedure. BD stated that the format of factual material was perfect and that Einar Bohlin did a great job presenting in the public policy meeting. However, to reduce redundancy, he suggested that either the AC should not approach the podium to state the same information, or that the AC present the information giving credit to Einar for developing the material presented.

It was decided that in the future, the AC would present, but that Einar would be acknowledged for his efforts in creating the presentation materials. The Chair requested that the AC formally suggest that this be the presentation procedure to ARIN staff.

The Chair called for any other business.

BD stated that in at least one previous meeting, statements made during discussion took on a personal and unprofessional tone and that in this current meeting he thought discussion during one presentation got similarly out of hand. BD requested that in future meetings the chairing parties put a stop to discussion that becomes personal rather than focused on the issues. All were in agreement that this issue should be brought to the attention of the board for consideration and possible future procedural changes.

RD asked if the AC should act on the issue of any organization consuming all RFC 1918 space, what should be done in case of this situation. The Chair replied that someone on private networks discussion group will forward this issue to the list.

LB congratulated SG on his election to the ASO AC; and SW expressed her good wishes to Ray Plzak and his return to ARIN and the ARIN AC meetings.

The Chair called for any update for the rest of the AC on the ARIN Sub-regional meeting in Tanzania. All participating AC members agreed that the meeting went very well and were happy with its success. They stated that they all looked forward to any future sub-regional meetings.

12. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 8:08 p.m. EDT. PA moved to adjourn, and this was seconded by ST. The motion passed unanimously.