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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Wednesday, 25 August 2004



  • Alec Peterson, Chair (AP)
  • Bill Darte, Vice Chair (BD)
  • Paul Anderson (PA)
  • Leo Bicknell (LB)
  • Ron da Silva (RD)
  • Andrew Dul (AD)
  • Sanford H. George (SG)
  • Mark Kosters (MK)
  • Lea Roberts (LR)
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)
  • John Sweeting (JS)
  • Stacy Taylor (ST)
  • Cathy Wittbrodt (CJW)
  • Suzanne Woolf (SW)

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin (EB), Policy Analyst
  • Therese Colosi, Recording Secretary
  • Nate Davis (ND), Director of Operations
  • Richard Jimmerson (RJ), Director of External Relations
  • Ray Plzak (RP), President & CEO


  • Kevin Martin

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 4:06 p.m. EDT. Roll call was taken and the presence of a quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for comments. There were no comments.

3. Formal Approval of the Minutes of July 15, 2004

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council adopts the Minutes of July 15, 2004 as written."

This was seconded by MK. The motion carried unanimously.

4. Review of Public Display of Reassignment Information policy proposal.

The Chair entertained a motion to move the policy proposal forward.

ST moved that:

"Policy proposal 'Public Display of Reassignment Information' be moved forward as written."

This was seconded by LR. The Chair called for the AC's comments on whether or not they felt the policy should move forward. Discussion ensued on the pros and cons of the proposal, including the removal of private information.

It was the sense of the AC that the proposal should remain as simple as possible, and that it should move forward through the process with no further action taken at this time.

The motion carried unanimously.

5. Review of Multiple Discrete Networks policy proposal

This is based on the implementation experience of Policy 2001-6. The Chair entertained a motion to move the policy proposal forward.

BD moved that:

"Policy proposal 'Review of Multiple Discrete Networks' be moved forward as written."

This was seconded by ST.

RP explained the proposal's intent would be to make adjustments based on implementation experience. The Chair called for comments. It was the sense of the AC that the proposal be moved forward through the process.

The motion carried unanimously. Ron da Silva then joined the call at 4:21 p.m. EDT.

6. Review of Allocation of IPv6 Address Space from IANA to an RIR policy proposal

There is currently such a proposal in the APNIC region. This is a counter proposal that makes the RIR at least as accountable to the IANA as the ISPs are to the RIR. The Chair entertained a motion to move the policy proposal forward.

JS moved that:

"Policy Proposal 'Review of Allocation of IPv6 Address Space from IANA to an RIR' be moved forward as written."

This was seconded by LR.

The Chair called for comments. Discussion ensued regarding where this policy proposal should take form. The AC expressed their opinions on whether or not ARIN's proposal process was the place. Most agreed it should move forward, anticipating discussion at the ARIN public policy meeting. The Chair called for a roll call vote. The motion carried with 11 in favor; 3 against (LB, RS and SW).

LR requested that those voting "nay" on this motion clarify their opposition so discussion could be continued on the mailing list about possible shortcomings in the IRPEP with regard to input to the NRO or other outside organizations.

The AC then discussed William Liebzon's posted policy proposal on the PPML entitled, "Amendment to Residential Customer Privacy Policy".

RP stated that the proposal currently in the process of moving forward (see item 4) allows for public records. William's proposal deals with public records as well and both could potentially pass as policies. All agreed.

LR asked if any one had objection to William's proposal not moving forward. There were no objections.

LB moved that:

"The 'Amendment to 2003-3: Residential Customer Privacy Policy' be moved forward as written."

This was seconded by AD. The motion carried unanimously.

RS left the call at 5:03 p.m. EDT due to a previous commitment. The AC then discussed the fact that William may not be attending the upcoming ARIN meeting in October, and BD volunteered to represent the amendment by proxy, per the IRPEP, to the constituents at the meeting if William did not attend.

LR suggested that this amendment and the policy proposal "Review of Public Display of Reassignment Information" be presented together, so each proposal can show their respective affects on the existing policy. She felt that if they were presented clearly, it would lend to a reasonably representative vote.

LB then suggested a discussion on the AC's list regarding ways to accommodate multiple choice policy statements. All agreed to discuss this matter.

7. Discussion of the ARIN Number Resource Policy Manual

The Chair called for comments before assigning sections to the AC for their review. The AC commended ARIN staff and EB for drafting this document.

8. Assignment of Portions of the Manual to AC Members for Review

The document was divided into seven sections by the Chair, resulting in roughly two AC members reviewing each section. Assignments were given as follows:

Section 1: SG/RD; Section 2: BD/CJW; Section 3: ST/PA; Section 4: AP/RS/KM; Section 5: LB/JS; Section 6: LR/SW; Section 7: MK/AD. The deadline for reviewing the sections is September 3rd.

RP stated that the goal was to have the document published and presented at the ARIN meeting in October.

ST and CJW left the call at 5:27 p.m. EDT due to prior commitments.

9. Open Action Item List

JUL04#12 BD/PA
2004-3 Global Addresses for Private Network Inter-Connectivity. The Chair directed BD and PA, part of the team shepherding this issue, to move it forward.

8/25/04 Update: BD stated that he had sent an inquiry to the AC for comment and also sent email to PA and Marla Azinger, the author. He stated he would have the text by the ARIN meeting in October.

LR left the call at 5:30 p.m. EDT due to a prior commitment.

JUL04#13 AC
ARIN's Directory Services. AC to read LB's post and discuss online.

8/25/04 Update: All agreed it was that it should be considered at the AC's next meeting. The AC also agreed to add the subject to the ARIN meeting agenda, as an informational item. LB stated that he had not received feedback either way from a policy perspective. He perceived that as a positive, but noted that no one commented. He stated he would be happy to present the matter at the ARIN meeting. LB volunteered to write a policy proposal for the next ARIN meeting in 2005. RP suggested it could also be discussed in the Policy Proposal BOF at the upcoming ARIN meeting. BD volunteered to help LB if needed. RP also suggested re-printing the article that was published in the ARIN newsletter.

JUL04#14 MK
Discussion of POC verification. MK volunteered to champion the issue, and write up text for review before the August 22nd IRPEP deadline. MK said could not get it done in time for that deadline but would get it to the AC's list ASAP.

10. Any Other Business

The Chair called for comments. There were no comments.

11. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 5:37 p.m. EDT. BD moved to adjourn and this was seconded by JS. The motion carried unanimously.

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