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Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council

Tuesday, April 20, 2004
Vancouver, British Columbia

Minutes

Attendees:

  • Alec Peterson, Chairman (AP)
  • Paul Anderson (PA)
  • Leo Bicknell (LB)
  • Ron da Silva (RD)
  • Bill Darte (BD)
  • Andrew Dul (AD)
  • Sanford H. George (SG)
  • Mark Kosters (MK)
  • Kevin Martin (KM)
  • Lea Roberts (LR)
  • Robert Seastrom (RS)
  • John Sweeting (JS)
  • Stacy Taylor (ST)
  • Cathy Wittbrodt (CJW)
  • Suzanne Woolf (SW)

ARIN Staff:

  • Einar Bohlin (EB), Policy Analyst
  • Therese Colosi, Recording Secretary
  • John Curran (JC), Acting President
  • Richard Jimmerson (RJ), Director of Operation

ARIN Board of Trustees:

  • Scott Bradner (SOB), Acting Chairman
  • David Conrad (DC), Trustee
  • Lee Howard (LH), Treasurer
  • Bill Manning (BM), Trustee

ARIN Counsel:

  • Steve Ryan

Absent:

  • Ray Plzak

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 6:07 p.m. PDT. The Chair called for a roll call, and the presence of a quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair called for comments on the Agenda. The Chair added the ARIN Sub-regional Meeting in Tanzania under Any Other Business.

3. Formal Approval of the Minutes of February 26, 2004

BD moved that:

"The ARIN AC adopts the Minutes of February 26, 2004 as written."

MK seconded. Motion carried unanimously.

4. Policy Proposal 2003-4: IPv6 Policy Changes

Lea Roberts moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, finds community support for Policy Proposal 2003-4 as is."

This was seconded by RS. The Chair called for comments. There were no comments. Roll call vote was taken and the motion carried unanimously. It was noted that this proposal would be moved forward to Last Call.

5. Policy Proposal 2003-9: WHOIS AUP

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, finds community support to abandon Policy Proposal 2003-9."

This was seconded by CJW.

The Chair gave an overview of the outcome of this policy proposal. Discussion ensued on the subject of an AUP and how to possibly craft one in the future.

When there were no further comments a roll call vote was taken. The motion carried unanimously.

6. Policy Proposal 2003-16: POC Verification

AD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, finds that the community wants the AC to work with the author to revise Policy Proposal 2003-16."

This was seconded by MK. The Chair called for comments. AD summarized the revisions requested. He stated the issue of a "reasonable timeframe" was raised and stated the same issues from last time were also raised on this proposal. He stated that the community was not pushing the issue, and gave an overview of the history of this document. Given the lack of support, AD stated he would like to withdraw the previous motion. The Chair called for any objections. There were none.

AD then moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, abandons Policy Proposal 2003-16."

This was seconded by RD. The Chair called for any further comments. LB felt that periodic review of the issue was needed for accuracy. Discussion ensued regarding this topic and how data is tagged. It was felt that the issue is still of interest to the community, and AD suggested discussion at the next AC meeting with all in agreement.

JC requested that ARIN staff estimate the cost of staff to perform the data work and implementation of a "last verified" field.

Given that there were no further comments, a roll call vote was taken. The motion carried with 12 in favor; 3 against (MK, JS and SW).

7. Policy Proposal 2004-1: Defining Utilization of IPv4 Addresses

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, finds community support to abandon Policy Proposal 2004-1."

This was seconded by JS.

Discussion ensued with BD suggesting that ARIN staff review what is currently on the web, create a glossary and be explicit about what it means. All agreed this was a good idea. Given there were no further comments, a roll call vote was taken with 13 in favor and two against (LB, AD).

8. Policy Proposal 2004-2: Use of HD-Ratio for IPv4 Allocations

CJW moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, finds community support to abandon Policy Proposal 2004-2."

This was seconded by ST. The Chair called for comments and after a brief discussion, a roll call vote was taken. The motion carried unanimously.

The Chair called for brief recess at 7:20 p.m. The Chair called the meeting to order at 7:25 p.m. PDT.

9. Policy Proposal 2004-3: Global Addresses for Private Network Inter-Connectivity

CJW moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, finds that the community wants the AC to work with the author to revise Policy Proposal 2004-3."

This was seconded by AD. The Chair called for comments. BM stated that it was impossible to distinguish private from global network with this proposal. Discussion ensued on what was wrong with the proposal and why it existed.

BD stated that he supported this under v4, and suggested providing rewording that stated that private networks could obtain global addresses for Internet connection. CJW, SW, JS, LB, and KM asked to be added to the AC discussion group that the Chair assigned so that they can work with the authors.

A roll call vote was taken and the motion carried unanimously.

10. Policy Proposal 2004-4: Purpose and Scope of ARIN WHOIS Directory

ST moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XIII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, finds community support to abandon Policy Proposal 2004-4."

This was seconded by SW. The chair called for comments. It was the sense of the AC that there was nothing in this proposal that justified further work on the matter. A roll vote was taken and the motion carried unanimously.

11. Last Call: 2002-2: Experimental Internet Resource Allocations

SW moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2002-2."

This was seconded by CJW. The Chair called for comments. SW stated that this proposal tracked with other RIRs' policies. The Chair called for a show of hands and the motion carried unanimously.

12. Last Call: 2003-5: Distributed Information Server Use Requirements

AD moved that:

"The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mailing list, having reviewed the comments collected during the Last Call period, and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-5."

This was seconded by JS. Given no comments, the Chair called for a show of hands and the motion carried unanimously.

13. Discussion of the Process to Approve AC Meeting Minutes

CJW moved that:

"The ARIN AC adopts the Process to Approve AC Meeting Minutes as written."

This was seconded by LR. The Chair called for comments. ARIN Counsel suggested a minor revision which CJW accepted.

CJW then moved that:

"The ARIN AC adopts the Process to Approve AC Meeting Minutes as amended."

This was seconded by ST. The Chair called for a show of hands and the motion carried unanimously.

14. Discussion of the Process to Elect an AC Chairperson

AD moved that:

"The ARIN AC adopts the Process to Elect an AC Chairperson as written."

This was seconded by ST. After review, the Chair asked for any amendments or comments. Given there were no further comments, the Chair called for a show of hands with all in favor.

15. Discussion of Legal Review of Policy Proposals

RJ updated the AC that the ARIN Board, at their March meeting, had instructed staff to engage counsel to review each policy proposal before discussion at the Public Policy Meeting. He explained that the current policy proposals on this Agenda did not make it through legal review as this decision was made too close to the Public Policy Meeting. He stated that all future policy proposals, however, will be reviewed by ARIN Counsel. He further noted that as a result of the Board meeting, ARIN staff will also conduct an implementation analysis of each new policy proposal to be submitted to the AC. The AC agreed with this procedure.

AD asked if last call proposals would go through this process. It was noted that the Board would take care of it.

16. Discussion of Disbanding Certain AC Discussion Groups

EB led the discussion of disbanding the following groups: 6months, aggregation, amnesty, cable. The AC instructed that the Cable working group needed to remain, but that the rest could be disbanded. EB was tasked with taking care of this.

17. Review of Open Action Item List

FEB04#01 ARIN Board Policy Proposal 2003-3: Residential Customer Privacy. RJ stated that the Board ratified and adopted the policy in their Minutes. An implementation message will be sent to the PPML. CLOSED.

FEB04#02 ARIN AC and Staff Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process. RJ stated that it is going through its first cycle. The AC felt it was going very well. CLOSED.

FEB04#03 ARIN STAFF BD suggested that there be a statement included explaining the intent of the initial review of the AC portion of the process. He suggested stating that this is a valid policy proposal issue that merits community discussion and that the AC was formally forwarding it into the process. RJ and EB stated that this had been done. CLOSED.

FEB04#04 ARIN AC/STAFF RS requested feedback on his recent post to the AC list. ARIN Staff to add this as a discussion point on the agenda for the next AC meeting in April. Brief discussion was held. CLOSED

FEB04#05 ARIN STAFF BD suggested the AC should make a statement when posting decisions on submittals regarding that, in accordance with the policy proposal process, the AC has three options that can be taken regarding submittals, and then indicate which one was chosen. The AC should state the mandate and the option, and state what they decided. RJ replied that ARIN staff would boilerplate text to this effect and send it to the AC for review. RJ stated this had been done. CLOSED.

18. Any Other Business

  • SW requested discussing replacement to the site local for v6, and what the process for that may be. The Chair stated that the AC should begin a discussion on the AC's list to explore the matter.
  • The AC thanked EB for his contribution to the ARIN AC in regard to the policy process and his assistance to the ARIN AC.
    SW moved that:
    "The ARIN Advisory Council as a body, recognizes Ray Plzak's contribution to the ARIN Advisory Counsel, and wishes him a speedy recovery."
    This was seconded by ST. The motion carried unanimously.
  • ARIN subregional Meeting in Tanzania. RJ stated that one of the goals of this sub-regional meeting was to discuss policies in that region. He stated that RIPE NCC was also going to hold a subregional meeting as well in Moscow. BD suggested the AC craft a written Statement of Support of the AFRINIC process. All agreed.

LH suggested that the AC attendees of this meeting become the Africa discussion group to liaison with the Board, until AFRINIC becomes a Registry. CJW volunteered to be part of the discussion group although unable to attend the meeting.

The Chair of the AC will attend the subregional meeting in Tanzania. In addition, the Acting Chair of the ARIN Board drew four names to determine which other AC members were to attend. The attendees drawn were: Ron da Silva, Stacy Taylor, Paul Andersen, and Suzanne Woolf. Alternate attendees are #1: Robert Seastrom, and #2: Sandy George, in the event one of the others could not attend.

The AC stated they would have a teleconference to coordinate with ARIN staff on preparations for meeting attendance.

19. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 8:47 p.m. PDT. CJW moved to adjourn, and this was seconded by LR. The motion carried unanimously.